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Russian, Iranian technology is boosting Assad’s assault on Syrian rebels
Washington Post ^
| June 1, 2013
| By Joby Warrick
Posted on 06/02/2013 12:59:11 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee
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Were seeing many things we havent seen before, said Brig. Gen. Hussein al-Zyoud, commander of Jordanian border security forces. Weve seen new kinds of armored vehicles, and other vehicles used for jamming communications. Were seeing night-vision and thermal devices that we havent seen in the past.
The new hardware has added to a sense of momentum that pro-government forces have been enjoying since mid-spring.
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posted on
06/02/2013 1:03:22 AM PDT
by
Brad from Tennessee
(A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
To: Brad from Tennessee
Iran and Russia test out systems in the Syrian civil war, help the Syrian dictator while the West scratches it's scrotum...Russia told Obamski, “hands off” Syria, this is our sphere of influence. The West leading from behind looks pathetic here and as indecisive as ever. Assad. Iran and Hizbollah may win, making the Axis of Evil that much stronger. Thanks for doing nothing Mr. President, at least 80,000 dead there and all you can do is draw the 24th line in the sand saying, “I mean it”.
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posted on
06/02/2013 1:40:06 AM PDT
by
Netz
(Netz)
To: Netz
“Thanks for doing nothing Mr. President, at least 80,000 dead there and all you can do is draw the 24th line in the sand saying, I mean it.”
The anti-Assad side is philosophically Hamas. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and all of the West. We should arm and train them? The rebels have openly expressed the need for ethnic cleansing. That would mean mascaraing the Alawites (Assad’s side) and the Christians. A goodly dollop of others would be murdered also. Both sides indulge in ritual rape.
If anything, we should be arming and training the Christians who seem to be sitting this one out. Assad at least left the Christians alone. They were second class citizens but they weren’t murdered for not being Alawites.
This is not a fight of Good vs. Evil. This is a fight of Evil vs. Evil. I think we are best off to stay well clear. Also, as Napoleon said, “Never interfere when your enemy is making a mistake.”
To: Gen.Blather
I agree with your position. Syria, a terror nation since, forever finally has the chickens finally coming home to roost. In the Middle East, there is a saying that, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. All nations in the Middle East except terrible evil and supposedly racist Israel (sarc) are imploding. Syria's Alawites, like Saddam's Baathists are a minority rule. Assad's regime is evil and must fall, the so-called Rebels are more evil as they are radical Muslim nut cases and all the others interfering like Hizbollah are nuttier nut cases all with an agenda in Syria. The bad guys are killing off the bad guys with the assitance of the very bad guys. Either way, the West and Israel lose. Hizbollah will sit on high overlooking Israel's Golan Heights and, like today looking south into Israel from Southern Lebanon. Israel is watching the mess in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and even tittering Jordan. One thing is for sure, the Israelis learned in the second Lebanon war (2006) that NEXT time, no holding back, they will be going in for the kill as they have been denied time and time again by US administrations and the UN. No more Mr. Nice guy - Israel and Obama will be hard pressed to hold them back in the next round.
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posted on
06/02/2013 2:16:08 AM PDT
by
Netz
(Netz)
To: Gen.Blather
I agree. I would call it “Evil vs Eviler”..no good option except to let them kill each other hoping that in the end, there is a victorious albeit lesser “Evil”.
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posted on
06/02/2013 2:30:59 AM PDT
by
TheGunny
To: TheGunny
“no good option except to let them kill each other hoping that in the end, there is a victorious albeit lesser Evil. “
I suspect that Assad is the lesser evil. Mind, evil is still evil. All those “Arab Spring” deposed leaders were evil, but they were all the lesser evils; as was Kaddafi. (I don’t think Kaddafi was killed by the Arab Spring. I think he was killed by Obama.)
To: Brad from Tennessee
And the al-Qaeda rebels are sponsored by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. No need for us to get involved let thé sunnis and shia kill each oth
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posted on
06/02/2013 2:49:24 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: Gen.Blather; Netz
Correct, this is evil vs evil with Assad the lesser evil
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posted on
06/02/2013 2:51:19 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: Netz
Iran and Russia test out systems in the Syrian civil war, help the Syrian dictator while the West scratches it's scrotum...Russia told Obamski, hands off Syria, this is our sphere of influence. The West leading from behind looks pathetic here and as indecisive as ever. Assad. Iran and Hizbollah may win, making the Axis of Evil that much stronger. Thanks for doing nothing Mr. President, at least 80,000 dead there and all you can do is draw the 24th line in the sand saying, I mean it. Assad is the better of 2 evils. Victory of the rebels will mean the slaughter of Syrian Christians who live unmolested under Assad.
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posted on
06/02/2013 3:11:59 AM PDT
by
Hacksaw
To: Brad from Tennessee
The rebels are Islamist Al Queda elements.
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posted on
06/02/2013 3:13:17 AM PDT
by
GlockThe Vote
(The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
To: Brad from Tennessee
Syria needs to exterminate Al Queda ASAP. USA needs more convenient worthy forces to back: IDF for example.
To: Netz
We would be wise to think twice before getting into another proxy war with those Cossack pricks.
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posted on
06/02/2013 3:31:03 AM PDT
by
LanaTurnerOverdrive
("I've done a lot of things in my life that I'm not proud of. And the things I am proud of are disgus)
To: Brad from Tennessee
It’s probably also worth mentioning that the Syrian government is using some old technology also - which is NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. You do what it takes to win.
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posted on
06/02/2013 4:40:32 AM PDT
by
BobL
(To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
To: Gen.Blather
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posted on
06/02/2013 4:53:36 AM PDT
by
TheGunny
To: Brad from Tennessee
Let them all fight to the death. Then Turkey can set up a protectorate over Syria.
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posted on
06/02/2013 5:12:00 AM PDT
by
SampleMan
(Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
To: Netz; Gen.Blather
Hi Metz, just a slight correction - Assads goons are baathists. The baath party in the Arab world started and still IS the secular alternative. Saddam, Assad, Nasser etc all looked to create some kind of pan-arab mileue that was NOT a caliphate. The alawis like the alevis in turkey are a religious group, supposedly a Shia subgroup but really more esoteric and like a cross between christianity and Islam. Their minority rule can be compared to Sunnis minority rule over Shia in Iraq. Israel and Christendom lose if either side wins. BUT if we have Assad controlling the western part of Syria he will be in continuous conflict with the Sunnis. Then the Shia and allies inpebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran fight against the Sunnis in Syria, Iraq with their Saudi and Qatari allies. THAT is the outcome we want. Let them be continuously preoccupied with killing each other and they have no time to think of killing Jews or Christians. I increasingly believe Israels posturing is a sign of their support of Syria. Incredible? Yes. Hear me out. By attacking Syria they give Assad bragging rights that the evil joos are out to gerbil and that the Sunnis are closet Zionists. That will lose al-Qaeda quite a bit of support. They won’t lose it alp of course but enough to keep the above Sunni-Shia fight on a constant boil. And THAT is a consummation deeppy to be desired. A better one would be a Christian state of Lebanon but that does not look doable sadly
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posted on
06/02/2013 5:16:14 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: Brad from Tennessee
Someone mentioned this war is all about oil money. Saudi Arabia wants to build a pipeline through Syria to sell oil to Europe which now is supplied by Russia.
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posted on
06/02/2013 5:36:03 AM PDT
by
Java4Jay
(The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
To: Cronos
As regards a Christian state in Lebanon, forget about it - been there, done that! The Christian “Phalange” (Jamayel family) controlled Lebanon from 1943-1976. The the Civil War broke out in 1976 and Lebanon has been seriously unstable ever since. Syria was “invited” in, in 1976 as a “peace keeper”. The PLO fled Jordan after “Black September” in Amman Jordan in 1970 and moved into southern Lebanon where they set up “FATAH-land” attacking Israelis from 1976-1982 when the Israelis had had enough, then they invaded in 1978 (Litani Operation), pulled out, then invaded again in 1982 (Peace for the Galilee Operation). The PLO was kicked all the way to Tunis. Then the Hizbollah filled the vacuum and been there ever since. “There” is all of southern Lebanon.
Methinks you are right in your assumption that the Israelis are sitting back, building up forces and passing the popcorn amongst themselves while Assad gains the upper hand with Soviet, oops, I mean Russian help with Hizbollah thrown in for good measure.
If Assad wins he will surely give the Hizbollah a free hand peering down from the Golan heights into Israel. They do this now anyway from Lebanon. THEN, Iran will have troops on the ground at Israel's borders from Lebanon and Syria. The pincer begins...add that to the whole world ignoring Iran's nuke program right now and we are looking at tiny Israel, just about sorrounded...
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posted on
06/02/2013 5:39:36 AM PDT
by
Netz
(Netz)
To: Netz
Iran and Russia test out systems in the Syrian civil war, help the Syrian dictator while the West scratches it's scrotum... I don't know about anyone else but I've been making ice tea and popcorn...
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posted on
06/02/2013 5:48:17 AM PDT
by
mac_truck
( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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