Actually, most if not all of this research and vaccine production is done with embryos from fertility clinics. Several are created for most cases. After implant they are slated for destruction and we use them. They are donated per law passed quite some time ago when this issue first came up. As to what they do with stuff from abortions, I suspect various states probably deal with it differently as most hospitals are regulated closely by state laws first and then federal.
Prior to the embryo use, they got it where they could. But I don’t know much about that...
“Actually, most if not all of this research and vaccine production is done with embryos from fertility clinics. Several are created for most cases. After implant they are slated for destruction and we use them. They are donated per law passed quite some time ago when this issue first came up. As to what they do with stuff from abortions, I suspect various states probably deal with it differently as most hospitals are regulated closely by state laws first and then federal.”
Do I need to really explain to someone on a pro-life forum that embryos ARE human beings & their destruction for research or pharmaceutical manufacturing is indeed the equivalent of an early abortion? Are you seriously ok with that?
Actually you are wrong Cold Heat; vaccines are not produced from discarded embryos from fertility clinics nor do as some have claimed, do vaccines contain fetal tissues. And not all vaccines are grown in the human cell lines and those that are grown in human cell lines, those cell lines came from two abortions that took place nearly 50 years ago.
Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissue
Human Cell Strains in Vaccine Development
I am very much pro–life and I would very much like to see all vaccines, where ever possible, not grown in those two human cell lines that came as the result of those two abortions where ever more ethical alternatives are available. But it is a lie (or perhaps more of a lack of knowledge and understanding of the biology and science in immunology) to say that vaccinations require a steady supply of newly aborted babies in order to make them or that all vaccinations contain fetal tissues. Neither is factually true.
If not one abortion ever took place after the two that are used in developing the MRC-5 cell line (from an abortion that was performed in September, 1966) or the WI-38 cell line (from an abortion that was performed in July, 1962) the only two cell lines used in growing some vaccines, it would have made no difference in that no further abortions were or are necessary in order to grow those vaccines that use those two self promulgating cell lines. Those abortions took place and some 50 years later there is nothing we can do about that now, but although we can take a stand that abortion is morally and ethically wrong and that those abortions and no others should have ever taken place, we can perhaps see that those babies deaths were not in vain.
Children of God for Life undoubtedly have the best of intentions and they certainly have their heart in the right place but even if their intentions are good, they are promulgating some very bad and unscientific information. By scaring parents from getting their children immunized against dangerous, debilitating but yet very preventable diseases, they put many children at risk for unnecessary death or lifelong disability. It should also be mentioned that Measles is making a comeback because of the anti-vaccination crowd, whatever their intention and that Measles can and does cause spontaneous abortions and severe birth defects even in mothers who had either had Measles or had been vaccinated against it because the fetus, inutero has no defense against it. There are many other preventable and potentially deadly diseases that we have vaccinations for that are making a comeback because of third world unvaccinated populations streaming across our unprotected boarders and also in large part because of the anti-vaccination folks, some of them pro-lifers and some of them the Jenny McCarthy liberal types.
I am not and in no way trying to rationalize and I am in no way promoting abortion as a good thing nor am I defending the comments made by Cold Heat some of which I find odd if not offensive. And abortion is something that I think is the murder of an innocent human. But I am trying to promote the truth and facts as they are.
But if you get your children or yourself immunized against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, the MMR vaccine, or the Chicken Pox vaccine or any other vaccine, you are not and in no way contributing to or promoting further abortions and you may very well be saving your child from an unnecessary early death or helping to prevent the spread of those diseases from infecting the more vulnerable who are either too young to be vaccinated or have immune systems that make vaccinations not of use to them, or can’t get them or those who get vaccinated but haven’t had enough time to build up the necessary immunity.
I am pleading for some knowledge and education and some common sense in this discussion. I think, sadly that I am probably hoping for too much. Too many people have made up their minds and think/believe absent actual facts at hand that all vaccinations = aborted babies. Sadly some of the same people who grieve the unnecessary death of the unborn, seem to turn a blind eye to the unnecessary deaths of children who die unnecessarily from very preventable diseases.