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To: Robwin
Your point regarding our politicians who are CINOs and how they seemingly retain good standing in the church is well known and frustrating. As an outsider to the RCC, I cannot refute your observation and conclusion. I remain guardedly hopeful that someone in the chain of command above the NCCS, who has the authority, will wake up and realize the homosexualists are pressing forward for the acceptance of open homosexual adult leaders in BSA and thereby announce the seperation. Time will tell over the next 7 months.

I've read some of the anti-LDS threads on FR. And I read elsewhere on the net opinions about what is happening in SLC. The comment about fearing damage to missionary work was an opinion presented by an LDS insider. It sounded plausible. Remember, the LDS Church proffered an olive branch last DEC on its web-site to its homosexual members asking them to remain in the church while at the same time standing by its policy that active homosexuality is still sinful. There have been news accounts out of Utah this year where lawmakers are currently introducing legislation to end discrimination against homosexuals in Utah. There are other news stories that church women are pushing for more unpresidented involvement in the church.

One story I read offered the opinion that the LDS could well seperate from BSA and form its own scout association, especially since half of the church's membership is overseas. Given church history, that sounds plausible. In 1875, Mormon Church President Brigham Young organized the Young Men’s Mutual Improvement Association (YMMIA). Its purpose was to "help young men develop their gifts, to stand up and speak, and to bear testimony." In 1911 the LDS church followed the pattern developed by the BSA and created the YMMIA Scouts. Shortly thereafter it adopted the BSA program as its official male youth program on 5/21/1913.

The LDS Church heavily supported the BSA in 2000 when the SCOTUS ruled in BSA’s favor in BSA v Dale. Leadership out of SLC let it be known that if the BSA caved into the homosexualists and permitted homosexual membership, the church would seperate from the BSA.

Just surveying the landscape, you cannot help observing there are 5 nationally prominent Mormons in the U.S. today.

Mitt Romney has advocated for homosexual (youth and adult)membership in the BSA since 1994 when he sat on the BSA National Executive Board. When he took over leadership of the 2002 SLC Winter Olympic Committee, he barred Boy Scouts (who were overwhelmingly Mormon) from volunteering at Olympic venues. Boy Scouts volunteered and served in large numbers at the 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics. On his watch as governor of MA in 2004, it became the 1st state to legalize homosexual marriage (granted, it was done thru the state supreme court). Insiders have stated that LDS Church leadership did not want to harm Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign by continuing the culture war against homosexual marriage and thereby incurring the homosexual lobby's wrath.

Harry Reed is a U.S. Senator (D-NV) and current Senate Majority Leader. He has vigorously pursued POTUS #44 BHO's agenda these last 4+ years.

Glenn Beck is a libertarian/conservative talk radio host and media mogul. He announced his support for homosexual marriage in 2013.

Jon Huntsman Jr. is a past progressive governor (R-UT) and former ambassador to Red China under POTUS #44 BHO. He also ran in the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary. In FEB 2013 he (1) announced his support for homosexual marriage and (2) signed an amicus brief for the plaintiff to present before the SCOTUS to oppose California’s Proposition 8.

Wayne Perry is the current BSA National President and co-owner of the Seattle Mariners. He personally pleaded the case with the Prophet of the LDS Church to support a change in BSA’s membership policy to accept open homosexual youth.

101 posted on 05/29/2013 10:21:25 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Again, ty MacNaughton. Very informative stuff there. Biggest surprise for me is Glenn Beck but all of it is interesting.


102 posted on 05/29/2013 11:10:48 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: MacNaughton
Neither the LDS nor the Catholic Church on the national level are willing to take on the wrath of the political and cultural establishment, which is in favor of legitimizing sexual perversion. As you noted, five prominent Mormons in public life are on favor of homosexual "marriage". The lay Catholic record, while not as dismal (Bill Bennett and Rick Santorum come to mind), is not encouraging.

As for the evangelical churches, since they are mostly congregational and sometimes miscategorized (e.g., among Presbyterians, the PCA denomination is far closer doctrinally to conservative Southern Baptists than to the PCUSA denomination), they lack the impact of the centrally organized Mormon and Catholic Churches. They also tend to have their own youth organizations, like AWANAs and Royal Rangers. However, I have to wonder if those evangelical megachurches that support a BSA troop or lease space to one are willing to take a media bashing by being the first to cut off Boy Scouts. If and when a Mac Brunson, a Max Lucado, a Tim Keller, or a John MacArthur does so (assuming their churches have any BSA connections), they will suffer an onslaught from the mainstream media vultures.

The BSA has been essentially subverted, following a pattern of leftist incursion and later domination that occurred as early as the late 1800s at Harvard and Yale and has affected hundreds of tax free foundations, mainline Protestant denominations, public education, and of course the news and entertainment media. Any continued support of the organization will only result in feeding what has become yet another enemy of the Christian faith and historic Western values.

109 posted on 05/30/2013 7:37:14 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: MacNaughton

“Harry Reed “

Harry Reid


110 posted on 05/30/2013 7:38:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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