Posted on 05/27/2013 4:33:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
SANFORD, Fla. — Attorneys on both sides in the George Zimmerman trial will be in court Tuesday morning, arguing over evidence that includes 911 calls and text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer does not expect the defense to get its requested six-week delay, but does expect Zimmerman's lawyers to win some of its battles in court Tuesday.
The state does not want the jury to hear about Martin's texts in the days leading up to his shooting death.
According to documents, in the texts, Martin talks about fighting, how his mother kicked him out of the house, about drugs and about buying a gun. He also exchanged angry words with his girlfriend, who was on the phone with him moments before the shooting.
The state said the texts were not relevant, but the defense said they show that Martin was an aggressive and angry teenager the night he and Zimmerman got into the deadly confrontation and it supports their argument that Martin was the aggressor.
The defense will also ask the judge to impose sanctions on prosecutors for allegedly withholding the text evidence from the defense for four months.
Both sides will also argue whether the defense gets to challenge the state's speech recognition experts, who said it was Martin who was calling for help in the background of one of the 911 calls.....
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I have no doubt the fix is in. This scumbag judge is doing a highwire act trying to look "fair" even as she does everything in her power to assist the state. I'm betting the texts are out, and I'm betting the bogus "expert" testimony that the thug Martin was the one yelling for help is left unscathed.
You feel for Trayvon because you’re not looking at the evidence which clearly demonstrates a pattern of violent and criminal behavior. If Zimmerman has a pattern of criminal behavior, then please offer up some evidence other than the speculation that he wanted to be a policeman but was denied (and the reason he was denied may well be VERY relevant; perhaps a physical limitation or insufficient education, etc.). But I shouldn’t expect this level of logical thinking from someone who has a difficult time constructing a coherent sentence (Zimmerman’s following? went to his destination? Had the two of them weren’t so stubborn?) Language is an expression of thought and lazy language conveys lazy thought ... like ... ya’ know?
LOL! Both would be alive today if a stoned Martin hadn't started pounding Zimmerman's head into the concrete.
If the text and pics on the phone didn't matter than why didn't the prosecution share them with the defense?
Come on down for the trial. I'll save you a seat so you can root for your boy.
In cases such as that, often the ex-jurors end up making a public stink about what an artificial picture they were fed.
But in cases like this where Hell seems to run rampant, remember this is a Hell composed of devils that God keeps on short chains. God lets it happen (for one thing) to show us This Is A Problem Bigger Than Mortals.
Texts sent within a couple of weeks or months of the incident that show Trayvon Martin talking about fighting and taking pride in his fighting skills and talking about how someone was going to have to “see him again” because he “didn’t bleed enough last time” are highly relevant.
Well of course. Tray with big chip on shoulder plus paranoia, versus what looks plausibly like a Zim heading back to his truck as promised. As for Tray hollering for help, let’s say that was real, maybe when Zim began to tangle back with Tray, Mister Big Stability lost his dutch courage for a moment?
I couldn’t even see a civil case against Zim winning (not biased by a railroaded criminal case, of course) if there is any such thing as a fair judge and jury any more.
The Committee has decided to do something special for the trial to boost sales. There will be a whole new line of products for the rabble err franchisees including a Where Is Witness 8 Doll and a self-erasing Obamaphone that redacts incriminating texts. Other products err relics are in the pipeline.
napscoordinator, I used to be in the same spot you’re in. I was here on Free Republic last year arguing with people until I was blue in the face about Zimmerman being an obvious racist murderer who deserved the worst punishment they could give him. But people on here convinced me to look hard at the actual evidence in the case, and so I headed over to the Conservative Treehouse and to Mike McDaniel’s blog Stately McDaniel Manor and examined the evidence that was available at that time (around April of last year). I found that I was being presented with a very, very flawed picture of what happened in this case. In the year since then, ALL of the additional evidence that has come out has supported Zimmerman’s side of the story. The only mildly positive thing that’s happened for the State is that there is a voice “expert” who claims that he’s certain it’s Trayvon Martin screaming for help, but that guy is a kook. There simply is no evidence in this case to support the conclusion that George Zimmerman hunted Trayvon Martin down and shot him in cold blood, or any of the other things that the Trayvonites attribute to George.
Seriously, check out the Updates on this case on those two blogs from way back in April and May of last year. Then come back here and tell us if you still feel the same way.
And maybe Tray did holler? Either in a feint, in cowardice, or in acute paranoia? (Investigating the latter hypothesis would be why the tweets, etc. leading up to the event matter.) Dueling experts maybe, though.
Thanks I will. I appreciate the post....Tomorrow I will study up on the evidence that is provided on Conservative Treehouse.
Thanks!!!
You are about get what you wished for. To wit:Zimmerman’s head. Enjoy.
Having looked at the evidence (at least the evidence available to the general public) I too have come to the conclusion that Zimmerman’s story appears credible and the shooting was a legitimate case of self-defense in fear of one’s own life being taken.
That said, I still have the nagging doubt that this all could have been avoided with a little more common sense. I can’t help but think about a time when I was 16 or so, and some guy started hassling *me* out of the blue about what I was up to.
This redneck rolled up on me in his pickup, and accused me of “casing” his friend’s truck. As it happened, I was headed to the drug store to pick up a prescription for my mom, who was really sick. Not only was I not casing anyone’s truck, I was too upset over my mom to even notice there was a truck nearby. I told the guy I didn’t know what he was talking about and started to walk away. Dude cut me off with his own truck and got really nasty with me - cussing, yelling, threatening to call the cops, that sort of crap. Fortunately, the dude had a non-inbred sitting next to him in he truck, who told the guy to knock it off.
I have to wonder now what would have happened then if this reject from Deliverance hadn’t had someone to calm him down? I was ready to pull his arse from the truck and stomp said arse into the pavement. Not a smart course of action, but teenaged boys don’t always think things out, especially when they’re worried sick and getting more than a little tired of being called a thief and a MF’er. Point is, the guy would have been perfectly justified - legally - to shoot me in self-defense had I laid hands on him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t help to create a bad situation, though.
Oooops my mistake. Hearing is at 9:00 AM est. Sorry.
Why would I enjoy that?
I agree that George could have acted differently that night, but the question I keep asking is this-
Assume that George Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his truck that night. If that is true, did he deserve to die for getting out of his truck?
If your answer to that question is “No” then you must agree that George Zimmerman had a right to defend himself when he was attacked.
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