Posted on 05/27/2013 3:58:51 PM PDT by sharkhawk
Wow, talk about going WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY out of context!! Let's go back and review where we are. The teacher, rather than take his dispute with the survey to the school administrator, took it to the students. Which suggests that the teacher is not/will not/can not follow established protocol. It is logical, then, to assume that IF this teacher can not/will not observe protocol in one area, there is a reasonable likelihood of him not following protocol in another.
Suppose he teaches his students that the 5th Amendment only applies to people over 35 not being required to incriminate themselves? Is that following the curriculum?
So, when I said that if he is unable to take his dispute with the survey to his supervisor(s) (i.e.) school administration and, instead, takes it to the students, in what other areas does he veer from established protocol??
I have had many teachers who didn't agree with parts of a course curriculum and gave the course their own interpretation. Did we learn the material that was approved by the school/Board of Education? Not necressarily.
If a teacher disagrees with something he/she is required to present, the responsible, adult approach is to address it with the folks in charge of the school who may have approved the curriculum. If they don't agree, he may need to seek employment at a school whose teaching philosophy more closely agrees with his own. That's all I'm saying.
BTW. You never answered how the Constitution doesn't apply to those under the age of 18.
/johnny
Free men don't ask permission. That's for slaves and serfs.
Free men do, and do right.
/johnny
I'm going to do it this way. Supose you have a really cool motorcycle to sell and a kid comes over to buy it from you. He has 1/3 your asking price in cash and signs an agreement to pay the remainder over the next 9 months. The kid shows you his driver license and you make the deal.
2 weeks later, a woman shows up at your door with this kid in tow and demands that you take the motorcycle back and refund the kid's money. You, believing that you have made a fair deal with the kid, decline and find yourself being sued. How do you think the case ends up?
You lose because the kid is only 16, a fact you knew when you looked at his driver license. The law has long held that minors cannot enter into any contract because they lack the knowledge, maturity and experience to fully understand the agreement they made and they are not responsible enough to comprehend their obligations under the terms of the agreement and the law. This is a long standing legal tenet that also covers such things as Constitutional rights. Minors traditionally do not have full Constitutional rights becausre they are too inexperienced, too immature and too irresponsible to handle them appropriately.
So, whether you sold the kid a motorcycle, a Coke machine or an airplane ticket, if the sale was made without parental approval and consent, the deal is null and void in the eyes of the law because the purchaser was a minor.
If you read my reply #33 to Dr. Sirvana, I did exactly that!
Contract law is generally STATE law.
Thanks for playing. Try again.
What part of Constitutional rights are only for those over 18? And where do you get that?
/johnny
Taken out of context.
Once again, horsecrap.
I bought an Opel Kadett when I was 16. Dad had a fecal hemorrhage.
It was a done deal, I paid cash. State gave me a valid title in my name. I insured it.
I did move out that year.
/johnny
The teacher, rather than take his dispute with the survey to the school administrator, took it to the students. Which suggests that the teacher is not/will not/can not follow established protocol.
To you perhaps, but not universally.
It is logical, then, to assume that IF this teacher can not/will not observe protocol in one area, there is a reasonable likelihood of him not following protocol in another.
Where did you study logic?
Suppose he teaches his students that the 5th Amendment only applies to people over 35 not being required to incriminate themselves? Is that following the curriculum?
Irrelevant - and a preposterous presumption
So, when I said that if he is unable to take his dispute with the survey to his supervisor(s) (i.e.) school administration and, instead, takes it to the students, in what other areas does he veer from established protocol??
Irrelevant
I have had many teachers who didn't agree with parts of a course curriculum and gave the course their own interpretation. Did we learn the material that was approved by the school/Board of Education? Not necressarily.
That's nice, but again irrelevant.
If a teacher disagrees with something he/she is required to present, the responsible, adult approach is to address it with the folks in charge of the school who may have approved the curriculum. If they don't agree, he may need to seek employment at a school whose teaching philosophy more closely agrees with his own. That's all I'm saying.
If you read the entire story you would have caught the part where he said, "I made a judgment call. There was no time to ask anyone," Dryden said. If the survey had been handed out a day or two before, he said, he would have talked to an administrator about his concern.
My opinion is that he chose the right decision, and for the right reasons.
This wasn’t part of the “curriculum”. This was an intrusive “survey” which the school had no business trying to intimidate students into taking.
And, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.
Have you ever heard "the law is an ass?"; or "justice is blind"?
We may disagree on the way that the law is applied, but courts and lawyers don't really care what we think, they apply the law the way that they see fit.
You may think it horsecrap and that's your choice. Frankly, we clearly disagree on this issue and more discusion won't change either of our minds. And, since you've started down the "horsecrap" path, taking the discussion to the gutter with personal attacks is likely to follow. Thank you for an interesting exchange of views.
I’d give you a response if I had any idea what your point is. I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
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