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DOJ on ‘Gays’: ‘Silence Will be Interpreted as Disapproval’
Townhall ^ | 05/20/2013 | Matt Barber

Posted on 05/20/2013 9:51:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: dfwgator

Sounds like North Korea, where if you do not cheer and applaud loud enough for the dictator, in his presence, you are subject to arrest, imprisonment and execution.


21 posted on 05/20/2013 10:14:46 AM PDT by Clarence
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To: SeekAndFind

You can’t win.

“Susan, that’s a really pretty outfit you have on.”

Susan: “Sexual harrassment! I’m offended!”

The next day, co-worker Jim walks in wearing a skirt. Still smarting from yesterday’s reprimand, you sit there and say nothing.

Jim: “You’re being silent! Insensitivity! I’m offended!”


22 posted on 05/20/2013 10:17:42 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: the_Watchman

Look at point no. 7 on the attachment. It is official dogma from the department.


23 posted on 05/20/2013 10:17:43 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: SeekAndFind

Silence speaks only to those that have have already decided what they want to hear.


24 posted on 05/20/2013 10:17:56 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: SeekAndFind

These “conversations” inflict harm on religious people and everyone else.

These afflicted people’s need to have these “conversations” is a form of Sexual Addiction. We should file a class action suit for Sexual Harassment.

Forcing others to participate in their sexual practices is Exhibitionism. Take names and file suit for Sexual Harassment.


25 posted on 05/20/2013 10:19:07 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is straight out of “A Man for All Seasons”:

Cromwell: Now, Sir Thomas, you stand on your silence.
Sir Thomas More: I do.
Cromwell: But, gentlemen of the jury, there are many kinds of silence. Consider first the silence of a man who is dead. Let us suppose we go into the room where he is laid out, and we listen: what do we hear? Silence. What does it betoken, this silence? Nothing; this is silence pure and simple. But let us take another case. Suppose I were to take a dagger from my sleeve and make to kill the prisoner with it; and my lordships there, instead of crying out for me to stop, maintained their silence. That would betoken! It would betoken a willingness that I should do it, and under the law, they will be guilty with me. So silence can, according to the circumstances, speak! Let us consider now the circumstances of the prisoner’s silence. The oath was put to loyal subjects up and down the country, and they all declared His Grace’s title to be just and good. But when it came to the prisoner, he refused! He calls this silence. Yet is there a man in this court - is there a man in this country! - who does not know Sir Thomas More’s opinion of this title?
Crowd in court gallery: No!
Cromwell: Yet how can this be? Because this silence betokened, nay, this silence was, not silence at all, but most eloquent denial!
Sir Thomas More: Not so. Not so, Master Secretary. The maxim is “Qui tacet consentire”: the maxim of the law is “Silence gives consent”. If therefore you wish to construe what my silence betokened, you must construe that I consented, not that I denied.
Cromwell: Is that in fact what the world construes from it? Do you pretend that is what you wish the world to construe from it?
Sir Thomas More: The world must construe according to its wits; this court must construe according to the law.


26 posted on 05/20/2013 10:19:46 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I would advise you to go back and reread post #3 to which I was replying. I understand that dealing with the “in your face” attitude of the LGBT community should certainly be fiercely resisted. What I am concerned about is that the attitudes of post #3 should be applied to the homosexual community in general including those who are “not flaunting” their sin in peoples faces.


27 posted on 05/20/2013 10:21:38 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: SeekAndFind

I just spent 10 months as a contract Program Manager at a Fortune 500 company. It was an ubber-politically correct company where, among other things, all jokes were forbidden. Employees had to sign a 10 page “ethics” statement mostly forbidding political incorrectness. Basically, all non-work related conversations were frowned on, if not outright banned. In 10 months I can’t remember any occasion to speak one way or another about gayness. It just doesn’t come up in the workplace. There were several religious Christians, but they spoke in whispers when speaking to each other. (They were the superior go-to employees.)


28 posted on 05/20/2013 10:22:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gaffer; null and void; pax_et_bonum

Missionary position rights!!

Doggie style rights!!!!

and so on and so forth.


29 posted on 05/20/2013 10:23:04 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (I haven't even started to procrastinate.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This does us no good - the sentence is taken out of context and indicates that if an employee comes out to you, that the employee is apt to take silence as a sign of disapproval.

While it's likely to morph over a period of time, at this juncture, it's probably an accurate statement whether one can stomach homosexuals becoming more overt or not. It is not a threat to managers as it shows up in the pamphlet.

30 posted on 05/20/2013 10:24:06 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Silence will be interpreted as disapproval.”

Savage Dan better not ask me if his dress makes his ass look big...


31 posted on 05/20/2013 10:25:10 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: the_Watchman
Like Jesus sent his spirit to deal with Ananias, and Sapphira his wife, there are consequences for NOT OBEYING God.
32 posted on 05/20/2013 10:25:10 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

they are angry because no amount of others’ approval stamps out the feelings inside that tells them they are doing wrong, they are not normal, they are not right.

this is why they are implacable. nothing ever is enough, because no amount of anything will ever make them think they are normal and right.

its like when you know you failed at something and everyone is telling you you’re awesome. it doesn’t help, it makes it worse most of the time, because it doesn’t change the fact you know inside you screwed up and you’re not awesome and people saying you are doesn’t help.


33 posted on 05/20/2013 10:27:02 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SeekAndFind
•DO “Attend LGBT events sponsored by DOJ Pride and/or the Department, and invite (but don’t require) others to join you.”
•DO “Display a symbol in your office (DOJ Pride sticker, copy of this brochure, etc.) indicating that it is a ‘safe space.’”

I am a government employee. I refuse to comply with this. Deal with it.

34 posted on 05/20/2013 10:30:04 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: the_Watchman
You.re wrong, VERY WRONG.

Someone once said: They may be more to it than that.
Doing is important.
I believe the "fiery trial" has already started.
We haven't been very diligent " ... to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses ... "
and there are consequences for our actions and in-actions.
We are living in the time of those consequences.
35 posted on 05/20/2013 10:30:45 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I agree.
If we OBEYED God, we would NOT have this problem.
36 posted on 05/20/2013 10:32:21 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: the_Watchman

don’t know which woman you are referencing, the one that was to be stoned, or the one at the well.

in either case both of these women knew they were being sexually immoral, they didn’t have slut pride parades and laws forcing people to commend them for their immorality. they were ashamed and embarrassed by their sexual sins. they were glad for forgiveness, and knew they needed it.

not so with today’s homos. they have government saying their sin is awesome, and anyone who doesn’t tell them they’re awesome is in trouble. no need to be forgiven for anything, and if you think they do, you’re the one with the sin problem - of judging others.

we do judge others. we are not warned never to judge. we are warned to not judge hypocritically. in other words if we have the same weaknesses and we aren’t addressing our own, but condemn others for doing what we’re still doing, we are not judging righteously.


37 posted on 05/20/2013 10:33:58 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Stormdog

“no, but the dress makes you look like a fruit.”


38 posted on 05/20/2013 10:35:43 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Yosemitest
Like Jesus sent his spirit to deal with Ananias, and Sapphira his wife, there are consequences for NOT OBEYING God.

They didn't disobey God, as they weren't commanded to sell their possessions; what they did do was lie to the Holy Spirit:
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

As you can see, the man had full control of the property and the monies from selling it. The problem wasn't therefore a failure to obey, for if it was these would not be admitted; it was because they were posturing as though the monies given were the full price of the property... I suspect that Ananias could have been utterly truthful and still divided the money (Paul says that those who do not provide for their families are worse than unbelievers, keeping a portion for his wife after his death could be just such a provision).

39 posted on 05/20/2013 10:37:40 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Yosemitest

Good verse. Now read it carefully. Note that from this account Peter did not call down God’s wrath. Peter merely spoke truth. Also note, that this was Church discipline, NOT dealing with unbelievers.

In order to match the tone of your post you will have to find us a passage where some Christian called down judgement from God on unbelievers. You might be able to find such a passage, but I am not aware of it.

Christians are not called to call down judgement on this world. That will come later at Christ’s return.

There were people pointing fingers at sinners in the New Testament. They were referred to as Pharisees.


40 posted on 05/20/2013 10:42:51 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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