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To: RikaStrom

Setting aside the workman’s comp issue and some retarded notion that they must provide their services to “multiple clients” (they 1099 entity is the vendor) BTW.

If I run an office cleaning service and I am the only “worker” and I only have 1 customer.

I enter into a contract/agreement to provide my services with certain expectations that include when (between 8 and 10pm), where (duh, the office), what and how (clean the office and they don’t care HOW).

We can extend this to virtually any position within a company that allows some flexibility on the HOW part.

I could have a boat load of 1099 salespersons that I control the where/when but not the how. The how starts to get really subjective.

In addition, one persons technique for cleaning or selling or driving or mowing or consulting or taking orders or flipping burgers or analyzing data or writing reports or greeting customers and on and on, seem to require certain standards of performance that have nothing to do with HOW.

The IRS nor the Federal Gov’t can make me have multiple contracts or agreements in order for me to be a 1099 independent contractor.

Tell me how they will differentiate between a cleaning service and someone that provides exclusive co-location cloud computing services ?


53 posted on 05/12/2013 12:37:45 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta
Tell me how they will differentiate between a cleaning service and someone that provides exclusive co-location cloud computing services ?

A valid point and excellent argument.

As I understand it, if a person is 100% a 1099 for whomever (sales, cleaning, etc), the pressure points comes down to:
1) do you supply the 1099 with any supplies? Be it office equipment, cleaning supplies, a branded shirt? and
2) do you require the person not to contract with any other entity other than yourself
3) do you require specific training, bonuses (other than listed in original agreement) and
4) do you require the "how", and I agree, it's subjective.

There is a complicated form that the IRS is now using to determine if the person hired is a 1099 or a W2. The training I received was that the 1099 had to pass the requirements of the SS8 from by the government (and the hiring company better be looking at it) or else the person hired was a W2 and all tax withholding, benefits, training, yada yada were in play.

If I, as the hiring authority, hire person X to supply services at client A, requiring set specific hours, and set specific training, and set specific behaviors, then I am the employer of record for person X, and am required to do all of those personnel paperwork issues that arise, not client A.

If I hire person Z as a 1099, and subcontract him to client B, and offer no specific training, no supplies, no support, basically I offer Z nothing other than the opening into client B, then Z is required to do his own taxes, WC, etc, and works on a "as needed" bases by client B (for whatever the project and/or contract stipulates) but could be handled somewhere between the hours of 8am to 10pm, but that is not my requirement, just that somewhere in that time frame, the work needs to be done. Person Z invoices me his time, I pay him out of A/P, and bill client B per contract.

It's a mess, I agree. I agree to your logic as well, but the government does not care for logic, they want to tax, and tax again, and unfortunately they've made it as difficult as possible for companies to chose the way they wish to conduct business.

59 posted on 05/12/2013 6:08:51 PM PDT by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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