[Olog-hai]

With all due respect, don’t post Wikipedia as fact or unbiased.

I would say the best that this categorization does is that it acknowledges Jews as an ethnicity for those who do not recognize it already; however, the dichotomy between Jews the people and Judaism the religion is not expounded upon here. (Marx may have been a Jew by ethnicity, but he was a hardcore atheist.)

[wardaddy]

With all due respect...you are being obtuse....anyone with half a brain recognizes Jewish surnames more often then not same as Irish or Scots

http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.htm

I won't argue that DNA Jews are frequently devoid of their original faith....but what you are using it sounds more like a Get Out of Jail Free card

I will say though that if conservative goyim here think Orthodox Jews like Chasids will ape their world view are very naive

Judaism in America is by and large a clique by birth or conversion which for the most part observes holy days and mitzvahs but is fairly humanist

and it shows

I have no answers to be honest..I have watched all this unfold for many years living and working in Manhattan and Miami and Ramat Gan

it just is what it is....but I'm actually secular about jews and Israel...no end times pet peoples typical Christian view of Israel for me

I just like them having lived and worked with Israelis...I no offense...far prefer them to American Jews..with exceptions of course

and I see them as surrounded by savages

we ran the world together as young men and women..they were very adventurous and bohemian

and it was fun...then we all grew up

they are now likely much less conservative than me but we didn't fight over it back then