Posted on 05/10/2013 3:33:32 AM PDT by lowbridge
I own a business, you own nothing, so you need to make yourself feel better for being such a loser. I take care to never buy Chinese products if I can avoid it, and you don't.
You just demagogue on FR, but you do it poorly. Perhaps they would receive you better at DU or KOS.
Stage 1: take our manufacturing and use coolie labor to satisfy WalMart. This phase is almost complete
Stage 2: automate the Chinese factories (so much for the labor advantage). This phase is in its infancy.
Stage 3: nationalize all factories and kick Yankee management out. This will not start until China has built up its military to sufficient strength. Maybe 20 years to go for that.
Do you do business, through your business, with China?
Just asking.
I answered that already in my post. Read it again to find out, and you’ll be happy with what I said.
The Free Trade crowd always wants the last post. Ever notice that?
Ah. I did see that now.
Thanks.
Not that I see anything wrong with sourcing in China,... except for the point that we are now running a massive trade deficit with China.
We need to bring jobs back from China, at this point.
Big time.
Well this is one of the most important, and far-reaching issues with no real wide discussion, anymore.
For years we have been sold on “free trade”. Most all of us. I myself used to be a firm believer.
What has happened however, is that “free trade” has been corrupted badly. What happens in China currently is not “free trade” at all. It is cheap, and it is trade, yes.
But it is a one-way dumping of American industry, into the Chinese industrial powerhouse.
Face it. We have for too long disregarded the risks of counting too heavily on this.
I for one have switched.
I used to be for free trade. Enthusiastically so.
Now I am turning around on that.
What we need now, is balance. America needs a national system which encourages businesses to invest in, and to develop, businesses right here in the United States.
We need to bring jobs back, to America.
I remember reading Michael Chrichton about Japan's way of business, how it was going to swamp us if we didn't do something. I also remember Reagan saying that our form was more free, more nimble, and would win in the end, even though we were in trouble vs them at the time.
Likewise now, encumbrance won't be the ticket to help, rather lack of regulation, LESS taxation, and the willingness to stop demonizing those who produce. Protectionism never works, just makes us weak and unproductive.
I was worried when I read the Chrichton stuff (he was a genuine genius), but he was wrong on this, and Reagan was right.
What matters is we're right, you're all wet; we actually understand the issue, you just obfuscate and demagogue.
Other than that, you're probably okay.....:-)
The thing to keep in mind is this:
China is unique. Unlike Germany, or Japan. Unlike any nation we have ever faced.
China is 4 or 5 times BIGGER than America.
That is a very, very significant issue to keep in mind. It is also Marxist.
No small point, there. Repeat that one for your mind to think about. China is Marxist.
At the moment our relationship with China is strong, and mostly mutually beneficial.
My point is, at present trends, that will slide wildly negative, very soon.
We need balance with China.
We do not currently have balance, at all.
Future generations of mostly impoverished Americans will hate you and despise the sell out.
They're big, and they are a problem and they ARE Marxist. Being Marxist, they will believe they can solve their problems by top down control, and in my opinion that will be their undoing.
If we follow their model, we WILL lose. We will win through free enterprise, meaning we will innovate, adapt, and figure out how to beat them. It's when we become protectionist we lose.
I understand what you are saying, just disagree vehemently with the specific remedies the protectionists on the thread think are good.
It might be time to stop that victimization (woe is me) stance and go do something, yes?
Well I’m glad we have that much to agree on.
The problem is, at the moment all of the momentum is with China.
I’m not saying there won’t be trip-ups, but right now we are the side heading for disaster.
Not the other way around.
Gotta cut out now. Good talking with you.
Consider what I have said please.
Dude, I am pretty much set. I care about the future of the USA after I am gone, unlike some. Ok, take the last post. Your religion of commie sellout demands it.
We ARE headed for disaster, but that's because we have a bunch of union loving, protectionist, anti free enterprise democrats running this country in to the ground, and the GOP has no clue how to deal with them. We're committing suicide on our own, it's not China per say or their strength; it's our weakness.
I'm headed out as well, chat with you later.
Last post.
As a smart guy said on CNBC....
China has central planning by engineers, mathematicians, and scientists, and the US has central planning by lawyers.
Neither one is good, but by definition we lose.
I love this country and what it stands for, I'm a business guy, I engage in free enterprise. You don't.
I understand the joys of being creative and working for a living while building fine things for others (who have loved our product enough to trust us with their money). You don't.
Take your sore loser, protectionist, victimized attitude to DU or KOS, you'll be loved more there......
:-)
China is a Marxist/Nazi country. It will never let its people be free. Ever.
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