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To: Iscool; RaceBannon
"All the seals on one helicoptor (against policy)...7 Afghanistanis on the flight...They were replaced with 7 other Afghanistanis at the last minute without a change in the flight manifest...No one knows who or what they were...

That's curious, yes. However, I've never read that nor seen anyone stipulate such. Maybe it's in the video.

"Seals were put into a military transport helicoptor instead of the special-ops helicoptors that they train with and use..."

First, SEALS and other Spec Operators train on all sorts of aircraft. There life consists of training and jumping out of all types of aircraft and it never stops. There are NO end days for SEAL/Ranger/Delta/Air Force ground combat training. The same as our own Coast Guard trains every day to rescue people from boating accidents.

Being ex-Gator Navy back in 70's early 80's, I don't understand your difference between "transport" and "spec-ops" helos. There were 17 SEALS and some Army Spec-Ops, at least one Navy combat corpsman, and the crew of 4 if I remember correctly in that Chinook. What's a "spec-ops helo"?

In my time the Chinook was THE ship to shore transport for a small platoon of Marines and SpecOps. So what has changed? A different letter on the CH-47? I dealt with them on the flight deck day and night. Please explain the difference, keeping in mind the carrying capacity of a CH-47 Chinook.

A larger CH-43 Sea Stallion (full platoon capacity - plus additional equipment), a Black Hawk that's good for a combat squad, a Huey that is even smaller for maybe 4 plus crew, and then the Cobra that doesn't carry troops and neither does the Apache, both being support aircraft. I could have this all wrong as far as troop numbers, but think it's close. It's been many years since I launched and recovered.

Are you suggesting that the SpecOps should have been transported in 3 or 4 of UH-60 Black Hawks? That would make some sense if they had them available. But then you deal with assets available at the time.

Battle 101: Don't group up. If there were other helos available for the mission and the operational commander didn't utilize them, then he has a lot on his shoulders. If not, you use the assets you have available. And that one Chinook may have been all that was available to rescue the Rangers. If you want to go further, bring this up in Congressional hearings, not that it would do much good.

Again, the fog of war IMHO. Sometimes our guys just die. It's still happening all the time in Aftganiscrap. What made this an issue is that SO many elite died in one shootdown who were in the same SEAL unit that took down bin Laden. Again, I think the bastards just got lucky. But hey, what do I know? There could have been some insurgent Aftgani or Paki intell to the goat humpers in the pass.

Whatever the reason, we lost a lot of highly trained American warriors in one shoot. That sucks, but having spent some time with SEALS at Coronado, they would be okay dying to save the Rangers.

13 posted on 05/10/2013 5:49:29 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
Being ex-Gator Navy back in 70's early 80's, I don't understand your difference between "transport" and "spec-ops" helos. There were 17 SEALS and some Army Spec-Ops, at least one Navy combat corpsman, and the crew of 4 if I remember correctly in that Chinook. What's a "spec-ops helo"?

I don't have a clue...

I was just parroting what was said by those in the video...

15 posted on 05/10/2013 6:01:06 AM PDT by Iscool
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