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College Bubble Bursts After Decades of Extravagance
Townhall.com ^ | May 9, 2013 | Michael Barone

Posted on 05/09/2013 6:50:11 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: who_would_fardels_bear

your average grocery cashier checker being replaced by a computer is not going to get a degree in IA, but this is about kids who spent $80K on college just to be unemployable.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Kaslin

My 4 year degree cost me about 20k for 4 years and I walked into a job making 40k a year roughly the average for the field... Today a degree from that same institution would cost 80k and the average entry level salary for that field is now about 50k.

It doesn’t take a genious to figure out COLLEGE is overpriced, attended by a lot of folks who really should not be there.


22 posted on 05/09/2013 8:44:44 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: wbill

I like your story... We need more parents not giving kids a free ride...


23 posted on 05/09/2013 8:45:18 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: wbill

There are a lot of folks in college and have been for decades who had no business being there, they died it because it was “what you do” and it was on someone elses dime.

ANyone who has spent any time in or around a college campus can tell you lots of them really have no academic aspirations or knowledge of what they want to do with their lives, just doing it because its what you do.

I’d say during my college experience a full 80% of the students really had no business being in college, and in days gone by would have never been accepted to any serious academic system.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
It doesn't take a genius to figure out COLLEGE is overpriced

I have three kids entering into college in the fall. I am amazed that among state schools the difference in tuition. Mizzou is the costliest at about 9 grand and smaller state schools run about 5 grand. The second largest, Missouri State is about 6.5, but have very generous scholarships for gpa and ACT (Mizzou virtually has none). So, Mizzou is basically 2 times the second largest school.

The difference is Mizzou has a big football and basketball program. It also has well known journalism, law and medical schools. For my one kid going there, it has an excellent ROTC program. But for the majority of kids attending, is a football and basketball team worth an extra $16K to $18K a year...?

25 posted on 05/09/2013 9:03:59 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: ladyjane
You might want to check out the movie Gross Anatomy. It's a very underrated movie, and much better than the first impression you might get from the name.

The main character, played by Matthew Modine, is a real slacker in medical school.

26 posted on 05/09/2013 9:05:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I’ll check out the movie. Just read the summary. Thank you.

I’ve dealt with a fair number of medical students and residents. The sloppy ones and the slackers turn out to be poor clinicians. They don’t have the self-discipline to be good. However, some of the non-conformists are excellent.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 9:17:12 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: 11th Commandment

IT shouldn’t cost more for those things, those sorts of things usually MAKE money for the school, in terms of revenues, tv contracts, larger and more support from alumni etc. If they are blaming the athletics programs for the added cost they are probably lying to you.

Smaller schools running such things add cost, big schools having those things usually makes them money.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 9:44:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
My major was engineering, so there was a pretty brutal weed-out process. If memory serves, we started with ~140 and graduated 38. Physics and Calc got rid of most people (including me, almost) who didn't belong there, and the heavy-duty sophomore classload finished off the rest.

The "catch-all" majors for washouts at my school (a large state U) were business, and interestingly enough, education.

Nice to see a school spit out 400 teachers a year, 60 or 70-odd percent of which likely didn't particularly want to do it....they just ended up in it. Says plenty for our educational system.

29 posted on 05/09/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Signalman

>>A while ago, my plumber came to my house and fixed one of my toilets. He was here about 30 minutes and charged me 160 bucks.

And I went to 4 years of college.<<

Why didn’t you look on YouTube for a video and fix it yourself?


30 posted on 05/09/2013 10:48:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch (http://www.theycometoamerica.com/)
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To: Signalman
I just put a roof on my house. I try not to think about how much I paid for it.

However, when I watched the guys humping 80# bundles of shingles up 12 or 15 or 20 feet of ladder, I thought, "they're earning their money."

31 posted on 05/09/2013 10:52:49 AM PDT by wbill
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To: sickoflibs
I really don't think getting a degree in something so specialized as IA is such a good idea.

I'd rather people get an MS in computer science with a specialty or minor in IA.

It's bad enough that students no longer get a universal education when they go to college. Most people treat universities as white-collar trade schools and focus most of their efforts just learning a trade.

To continue that at higher levels can only lead to narrowly trained people who are good at few things and can never quite see the big picture.

That large corporations are gullible enough to hire people with degrees in something so specialized is not a good sign either.

32 posted on 05/09/2013 11:08:55 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: petercooper

Not really. Pretty soon we’ll have robots digging ditches.


33 posted on 05/09/2013 11:13:00 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SVTCobra03
You proved my point. Thank you. This scientific survey is now closed.

Thank you for your service to our country.

34 posted on 05/09/2013 11:31:05 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: elcid1970
Even when he shows up in your exam room wearing shorts, flipflops, & a “Weed Rocks!” T-shirt?

I'm seeing a doctor now that comes pretty close. So far I'm quite pleased.

35 posted on 05/09/2013 12:01:10 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
RE :”It's bad enough that students no longer get a universal education when they go to college. Most people treat universities as white-collar trade schools and focus most of their efforts just learning a trade”

If someone gets degrees in EE or CS their MS and then DS will be much more specialized then their Freshman undergrad year. That is the way it works.

I dont see someone getting a MS in IA unless they have a technical background first, an engineer or a computer network specialist,

Nor do I see IA being obsolete in our lifetime.

36 posted on 05/09/2013 12:13:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Kaslin

My experience getting my master’s degree reflects the article’s premise.

I took a class in social science research at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. It was a tedious helping of left-wing pap served up by a self-proclaimed Latina grandmother who, not surprisingly, graded on a curve, with women and minorities on the passing end and white men on the failing end. I looked at the $20,000 tuition fee for completing the degree and took my “incomplete” for the semester.

I found an online college for about one-third the cost. The classes were excellent. Political posturing was absent. I went in, learned a lot, came out with some interesting skills, and graduated in 18 months. It was all done at home - a plus when you live way out here - and there wasn’t a speck of time wasted.

I’m betting we’ll see much more of this in the near future.


37 posted on 05/09/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: sickoflibs
IA sounds euphemistic like "Information Retrieval" from the movie Brazil. It smells of terms like 'synergy' to me, but then maybe I'm just turning into an old greybeard.
38 posted on 05/09/2013 2:28:08 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: elcid1970

Yeah, I’d draw the line there!


39 posted on 05/09/2013 2:38:58 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: HamiltonJay

“It doesn’t take a genious to figure out COLLEGE is overpriced...”

“Genious”?? I’d ask for a refund if I were you :)


40 posted on 05/09/2013 4:23:39 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Satayana and doomed to repeat him)
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