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To: allmendream
Your argument is based upon the false premise that natural rights and natural law principles exist beyond the law (which is correct)

The premise is false and correct at the same time? I think I see your problem here.

but that if a “manmade” law confirms that natural right or principle then suddenly it is only through operation of a “manmade” law - and no longer a natural right or natural law principle.

That is ridiculous and idiotic.

Yes it is, but that's because you are misstating it. I believe this is called the "Straw Man Fallacy."

The man made laws are not confirming a natural right. They are creating a positive law that grants the same privileges as a "natural right." Once more, this is called "naturalization."

The Principle is exactly like that of Adoption. A Child who is not part of a family is adopted, and thereafter can claim the benefits of being part of that family, including the characteristic of name.

Birth to family = Natural born.
Adoption = Naturalized.
Adoption at birth = Naturalized.
Born in Family House = squatter.

Tell me you understand the difference between a natural born child and an adopted child.

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Now apply the idea to citizenship.

298 posted on 05/07/2013 2:12:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The first part is correct - the part you left off to take me out of context is wrong and idiotic.

Why are the “manmade” laws confirming a natural law in one case but only creating “manmade” law in another? Based upon what YOU deem to be the operation of natural law and natural principles?

I say the operation of “manmade” law confirms the natural allegiance at birth due to natural law principles of place and/or parentage.

You say the operation of “manmade” law confirms natural law in some cases, and is only “naturalizing” in others.

If parentage is the criteria you prefer - why your opposition to Cruz who gets his citizenship at birth through the natural law principle of parentage?

300 posted on 05/07/2013 2:19:39 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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