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To: Jeff Winston
And they didn't need to use the grandfather clause, either. All of those persons who had been born "natural born subjects" of the English king were, upon Independence, natural born subjects or natural born citizens of their State and of the United States.

He uses the word "Subject" and "Independence" in the same sentence, obviously not comprehending that they are opposite principles.

The Jack@ss also argues that you can be "natural born" to two completely different governments. This nonsense should not warrant a reasoned answer. The only answer it deserves is SHUT UP!

158 posted on 05/06/2013 1:27:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The Jack@ss also argues that you can be "natural born" to two completely different governments. This nonsense should not warrant a reasoned answer. The only answer it deserves is SHUT UP!

Yes, the only answer you can give is that anyone who disagrees with you is a "jackass" and should be told to "shut up."

This is the standard response to the truth by thugs everywhere. "You'll agree with what we say, or you'll shut up.

And judging by your past statements, I have no doubt that if you had the power to actually act as a thug, you'd do it.

But here's what the FATHER OF OUR CONSTITUTION, JAMES MADISON, had to say about being "natural born" to succeeding governments. And specifically, about being a natural born member of one of the Colonies which became one of the United States:

"I conceive the colonies remained as a political society, detached from their former connection with another society, without dissolving into a state of nature; but capable of substituting a new form of government in the place of the old one, which they had for special considerations abolished. Suppose the state of South Carolina should think proper to revise her constitution, abolish that which now exists, and establish another form of government: Surely this would not dissolve the social compact. It would not throw them back into a state of nature. It would not dissolve the union between the individual members of that society. It would leave them in perfect society, changing only the mode of action, which they are always at liberty to arrange. Mr. Smith being then, at the declaration of independence, a minor, but being a member of that particular society, he became, in my opinion, bound by the decision of the society with respect to the question of independence and change of government; and if afterward he had taken part with the enemies of his country, he would have been guilty of treason against that government to which he owed allegiance, and would have been liable to be prosecuted as a traitor."

- James Madison, FATHER OF THE CONSTITUTION.

So here Madison says exactly what I just stated: Our political society continued unabated. We merely separated each State from the King. The allegiance to the King was dissolved. The allegiance to the local political society, the Colony that became a State, continued uninterrupted. And every person who had previously been a natural-born member of that AMERICAN political society (previously called a "colony") CONTINUED as a natural-born member of that American political society, which was now called a "State."

So James Madison himself says you're absolutely, totally, full of crap.

161 posted on 05/06/2013 1:39:56 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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