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To: Sherman Logan
I quite agree they's like to pull a coup, but is isn't working. At all.

I disagree.

They were shocked by their failure to elect Kerry, and they changed to a model of much more conspicuous lying, with much tighter integration of "stars" into the propaganda machine.

The results are all around you to see.

And, while it's true that they failed to pass Manchin-Toomey (the 90% lie being particularly egregious), they are now trying something new - deploying astroturf mobs accompanied by media to follow around the five or six Senators they need to switch (and, unfortunately, they picked a good target in Kelly Ayotte) - while there are "stars" on daytime TV constantly repeating the meme.

The only saving grace is that their machine isn't being run by Germans.

17 posted on 05/03/2013 4:35:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

You are still talking about their efforts, not their success.

I quite agree that they want to do what you say. I just see no evidence that their methods are achieving actual results.

Which is not to say that they won’t achieve such results, only that they haven’t yet.

I wish 2A proponents would even occasionally acknowledge the extent to which the terms of the debate have shifted in their direction. 30 - 40 years ago the gun control debate was very largely about whether all guns, or at least all handguns, should be prohibited or tightly controlled.

Today the argument is most states is about “shall issue” carry permits.

That is a truly enormous shift, similar to the equivalent shift in the same period about abortion issues. 40 years ago the argument was about whether all, or almost all, abortions should be illegal. Today it’s about whether even the most egregious and horrific examples of abortion can be made illegal.


18 posted on 05/03/2013 4:43:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jim Noble
deploying astroturf mobs accompanied by media to follow around the five or six Senators they need to switch

Let us assume Manchin-Toomey gets to a floor vote in the Senate and passes. It still must pass a House vote, which it won't.

19 posted on 05/03/2013 4:44:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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