Posted on 04/30/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by Biggirl
Former Rep. Ron Paul said the law enforcement that swarmed around Boston in the days following the marathon bombings was scarier than the actual terrorist attack.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Chicken little police state? For wanting our constitutional rights followed? Please leave Free Republic, we do not condone your disrespect toward our laws and the document that founded them. If you had read Jim Robinson’s purpose statement before signing up here, you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble. To save time in the future, you can copy/paste all you responses here to a Word doc and then use them on DU.
You are telling me to leave FR?
I am a real conservative in the tradition of Ronald Reagan, the three tiers of conservatism: economic, social and national security.
You can take your Alex Jones // Ron Paul paranoid crap and stick it.
I will be fighting you liberaltarian frauds to the day I die, right along with the Socialist scum.
Look I understand and again I don’t mind the attacks on the governor. The police did ask for entry and there are countless stories to back this up. The one house that has been shown with people walking out with their hands up was a suspected terrorists house. I don’t know if a warrent was issued or not for that house. We know our rights.
I watched the complete video and it was just some normal looking folks in the neighborhood... And ‘Suspected’ based on what? Because it happened to be in the neighborhood where the perps escaped? We have had manhunts in the USA for many years - it is not allowed to terrorize a neighborhood with dozens of militant policemen to find one or two terrorists.
And police should not be asking for entry at the point of a gun ...
Slice and dice - slice and dice it all you want - it was ploice thuggery violating the Bill or Rights
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I don't know the specifics of that one search and neither do you, there may have been a warrant issued for that specific address. Most of the searches that were performed were all voluntary. As I also stated it was not known if there was a terrorist cell in the neighborhood harboring the fugitive. The terrorist were driving all around that neighborhood for almost an hour which does not make any sense. I thought the police response was over the top. But...if there was a terrorist cell of a dozen or more with more weapons and explosives then it was warranted. The entire city and state wanted these terrorist caught before they killed and maimed again.
I am more concerned that we were paying these people for 10 years to live in our city only in the end to try to blow-it up.
FWIW police response to cop killers is usually way over the top. Just look at the Dorner manhunt.
I know what I saw. And fear is no excuse for excusing police violations of the Bill of Rights. You can be luke warm and give up your rights - I’m not.
It has nothing to do with Ron Paul or Libertarianism - he is only one of thousands decrying this outrage.
http://cnsnews.com/blog/bob-parks/has-watertown-made-warrantless-searches-new-normal
Conservatives who lie down and accept this police state thuggery and violation of the Bill or Rights are just empty headed fools and an embarrassment
You’re arguing with a pack of pussies cheering on the schoolyard bully. In their world if you have a badge and a fine hat, you can do no wrong and you’re just an america hating terrorist if you refuse to bow, stoop and genuflect appropriately to your betters.
Which liberal - leftist enclave did you come from Nappy ?
Yes - these Constitutional illiterates just cannot believe that cops can so easily become Thugs. It is obvious that none of the pussies has ever read one page of prerevolution history.
What do we have on the thread - a bunch of retired cops who don’t understand that the obama admin and HLS has been brainwashing police units all over American ... What we saw in Boston and Watertown last week was pure JACKBOOT goons dressed in cop uniforms
History to these guys didn’t start until December 7th, 1941. I’m sure there were people who tried to warn the Germans and Italians in the 1930’s, too. I have to say that I’m a bit surprised at the torch rally response here. I thought for sure we wouldn’t see this kind of obsequious behavior toward the state when team blue was in the white house.
Read the paragraph beginning with ONCE — okay ... then compare that to the videos and photos you see all over the internet about the Boston / Watertown manhunt... READ IT
Jack Schonely knows a lot about manhunts. After 30-plus years as a police officer, he now teaches perimeter containment tactics to other law enforcement agencies and wrote the book Apprehending Fleeing Suspects: Suspect Tactics and Perimeter Control, so we asked him how the Boston police executed their manhunt /NOT.
Here is what was supposed to have happened according to police - based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights - BUT was violated time and again in the pursuit of two - then ONE terrorist ...
Once the containment perimeter is established, the search begins. In Boston, officers in tactical gear went door to door in search of Dzhokar. In a manhunt, the police can access lawns and peer in windows, but the legal protection of probable cause still exists. If there is no sign of trouble—a blood smear, sign of forced entry, cries for help—the police cannot enter a home no matter who’s on the loose. “We still have to follow the law,” Schonely says. “Without probable cause, the police can only ask residents to come out for permission to enter.”
“The officers were asking, ‘How should we deal with the residents?’ and we made it clear: ‘As courteous and as professional as possible, yet getting the job done,’” Boston Police Department Superintendent William Evans says.
Searching a populated area is certainly a challenge, but it can also work to the police force’s advantage. “It can be a plus or a minus,” Schonely says. “All those people are put in danger, but they all have eyes and ears.” Indeed, Dzhokar was snared by the report of a citizen who saw signs of someone on his property—the covering over his boat was out of place.
I made additional comments on the post I just made - go to the link and read the untouched wording for yourself...
Folks - Of everything you have seen and read about the manhunt especially in Watertown - How many of you believe that the policy described below was followed by the police ... ?
Once the containment perimeter is established, the search begins. In Boston, officers in tactical gear went door to door in search of Dzhokar. In a manhunt, the police can access lawns and peer in windows, but the legal protection of probable cause still exists. If there is no sign of trouble—a blood smear, sign of forced entry, cries for help—the police cannot enter a home no matter who’s on the loose. “We still have to follow the law,” Schonely says. “Without probable cause, the police can only ask residents to come out for permission to enter.”
“The officers were asking, ‘How should we deal with the residents?’ and we made it clear: ‘As courteous and as professional as possible, yet getting the job done,’” Boston Police Department Superintendent William Evans says.
They didn’t complain because they were both ignorant and stupid
But it is the LAW - no entry without permission without a court ordered warrant... If the resident says No - No means No ... unless there is probable cause like blood in sight, bruises on the person who answers the door, or the person who answers the door is secretly pointing or showing strong signs of distress ... without such signs of probable cause - the police must back off...
You - are an ignorant PIN HEAD... you know nothing of the Constitution or Bill of Rights ... you are one of these dumb butts who would hand over your rights because you are so ignorant.
Yes - give up your Constitutional Rights you fricken Idiot
You could not possibly be a real Conservative ... you have NO IDEA of what this argument is about .. you are ignorant of the reasons for our Revolution against the British ... Go read some History you twit
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