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Sheriff refuses to sign machine gun forms
Citizen's Voice ^ | 4/29/13 | Michael P. Buffer

Posted on 04/29/2013 7:22:25 PM PDT by Born Conservative

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1 posted on 04/29/2013 7:22:25 PM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative

“$4,000 to $10,000”?? Try $4000 to $100,000. And sue that unelected sheriff out of office.


2 posted on 04/29/2013 7:33:14 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Born Conservative

I may stand corrected, but i am fairly certain no legal NFA weapoan has ever been used in a crime. Not one, ever.


3 posted on 04/29/2013 7:36:33 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Born Conservative

It’s his own fought for living in Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania


4 posted on 04/29/2013 7:43:39 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Born Conservative

if you need a permit then you need permission

permission can be withheld

rights require no permission.

rights cannot be withheld... only denied

tyrants suppress or deny rights... not a nation of laws


5 posted on 04/29/2013 7:47:58 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: DesertRhino

Bad thing to bring up......could be argued as a reason for the jackboots to register everything.

MG’s are the 3rd rail of the 2nd amendment....shouldn’t be. Just are. Our side even argued as such in the Heller case even though the bastards in the 30’s made the NFA of 34 a revenue law just to avoid the militia question. $200 in 1934 would be about $10k today. An effective ban.

They are what we should own if GI Joe has them.

Cop in Dayton used a CIII M-16 in the late 80’s to whack his girlfriend. That is only criminal use of a legal NFA I know of.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 7:48:10 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Born Conservative
Luzerne County Councilman Jim Bobeck said he supports Robshaw's stance against signing ATF forms for NFA weapons, adding it demonstrates why voters should not elect the county's sheriff.

This guy has it exactly backwards.

7 posted on 04/29/2013 7:48:28 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Born Conservative
"'He just flat out refused,' said Braddock, a retired Army National Guard major...Robshaw is concerned about civilians, who are not law enforcement officers, acquiring fully automatic weapons...Robshaw believes he can refuse to sign the form for any reason."

But Robshaw is the civilian. The problem appears to be penis envy.


8 posted on 04/29/2013 7:51:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Born Conservative

I can remember when the NRA required you get the permission of your local sheriff before you could join.


9 posted on 04/29/2013 8:01:39 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Lowell1775
MG’s are the 3rd rail of the 2nd amendment....shouldn’t be. Just are. Our side even argued as such in the Heller case even though the bastards in the 30’s made the NFA of 34 a revenue law just to avoid the militia question. $200 in 1934 would be about $10k today. An effective ban.

What's interesting is that the Bill of Rights, amending the Constitution, means that the 2nd logically puts its restriction on even the ability of the government to tax (art 1, sec 8), it could therefore be argued that the NFA is entirely contra-constitutional on that point alone.

10 posted on 04/29/2013 8:12:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Born Conservative

Is the good (bad) Sheriff subject to citizen arrest?


11 posted on 04/29/2013 8:15:21 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Born Conservative

Robshaw is a punk.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 8:18:39 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50¢)
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To: OneWingedShark
The NFA is plainly unconstitutional and the USSC punted on the case like the cowardly dogs they are. Clarence Thomas excluded, and sometimes Scalia. My apology to cowardly dogs.
13 posted on 04/29/2013 8:20:15 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: OneWingedShark

I worked with a dealer who had I don’ remembers what was necessary o what class it was butknew+ whatever it was he one which


14 posted on 04/29/2013 8:25:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Born Conservative

Only trained law enforcement personnel can be trusted with fully automatic weapons, and we know there has never been a peace officer that has abuse alcohol, their wives or gone over the edge and attacked anyone, OH HELL NO!, only us untrustworthy CIVILIANS would ever do that!


15 posted on 04/29/2013 8:29:11 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ozzymandus

Can’t sue the sheriff. He’s under no obligation whatsoever to sign.

Sue the feds for NFA law transgressing the 2nd. Contact the Heller Foundation.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 8:34:13 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesnÂ’t make bad people harmless.)
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To: Born Conservative
About thirty years ago, I considered getting a license for a full auto gun.

I already had a decent sized collection, and already had several legal conceal carry permits.
(I moved around a lot in my job)

I decided against it, due to the onerous terms involved with acquiring the required Federal permit.

The deal killer for me, besides the annual costs involved, was to willingly “submit to 24/7, weapons inspections on demand, without a sworn search warrant” by any and every level of LEOs.

Yes, I have fired off a few bursts of full auto just for fun, when I had the chance.

It wasn’t worth it to me, surrendering my 4Th Ammendment rights, to own an exotic and expensive item.

17 posted on 04/29/2013 8:46:49 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: samadams2000
Is the good (bad) Sheriff subject to citizen arrest?

No. In PA a citizen's arrest requires the citizen to have actually witnessed the felony for which he is placing the criminal under arrest. He may then physically detain the criminal until accredited LEOs accept custody.

18 posted on 04/29/2013 9:27:03 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: DesertRhino

I believe there is one ( and one “possible”)instance. It involved a Mac11 in .380, and the shooter was a police officer who murdered a police informant. This link has the details. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html


19 posted on 04/29/2013 9:31:31 PM PDT by W.Lee ("RID THE WORLD OF THOSE SAVAGES!”)
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To: Born Conservative

Someone please identify this 9mm “machine gun”, I can’t think of any.


20 posted on 04/29/2013 9:32:52 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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