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To: JCBreckenridge
“Are you claiming that a nation has a claim on children despite the loyalties of their parents? “Birthright citizenship” is functionally equivalent to a press gang in that it places obligations on people who might just be tourists having no intention of such.”

JCB: I would argue that it’s no such thing

You'd be WRONG!

Take a peek at what the IRS is doing to "Accidental Americans"...

The term “Accidental American” refers to the millions of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents (“LPRs”) residing outside the U.S. Many of these individuals were born in the U.S. or acquired derivative citizenship based on a number of factors via one or both parents. However, other than their U.S. citizenship, they typically have no other direct family, business or personal ties to the U.S. Many LPRs who worked in the U.S. for a few years or who acquired their “green card” through their U.S. parents have long ceased to live in the U.S., returning to their country of origin. The author refers to each of these types of “U.S.” individuals as “Accidental Americans” throughout this article.

The Accidental American is subject to U.S. income tax on his or her worldwide income, and to information reporting requirements

“Accidental Americans” – Rush to Renounce U.S. Citizenship to Avoid the Ugly U.S. Tax Web, But There's a Ten Year Tax Penalty

Born in the U.S. when your non-citizen parents were just passing through or were just here on vacation? Shut up and pay the IRS your taxes, "citizen"!!!

26 posted on 04/24/2013 2:21:05 PM PDT by Rides3
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To: Rides3

Derivative Citizenship

WHAT IS DERIVATIVE CITIZENSHIP?
A child born outside the U.S. may become a U.S. citizen by operation of law via the child’s parent

REQUIREMENTS OF DERIVATIVE CITIZENSHIP

A child can derive U.S. citizenship if all the following conditions are met:

One parent is a U.S. citizen


27 posted on 04/24/2013 4:22:47 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: Rides3

ELIGIBILITY OF UNLEGITIMATED CHILDREN FOR DERIVATIVE
CITIZENSHIP

It is distinct from the acquisition of citizenship at birth, including the “citizenship by descent” that may be conferred on a child born abroad to a citizen parent.

See
id.; see also INA § 301(c), (d), (e), (g), 8 U.S.C. § 1401(c), (d), (e), (g) (2000) (examples of INA
provisions conferring citizenship by descent).

http://www.justice.gov/olc/2003/ins_opinion.pdf


30 posted on 04/24/2013 4:43:40 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: Rides3

So your argument is:

1, these people were born in America.
2, these people, despite no longer residing in America are considered be American citizens and pay taxes.

What’s the problem here - it verifies my position.


33 posted on 04/24/2013 5:34:02 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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