Posted on 04/23/2013 3:28:30 PM PDT by BigReb555
Did you know Black Confederate soldiers are buried on the grounds of Atlanta’s Morehouse College, a 4 year historically Black college, located on the highest ground where the Battle of Atlanta was fought?
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The Lost Cause contingent got to write much of the history and produce much of the cultural lore surrounding the Civil War.
The losing side wrote the script that the US operated under from 1876 to 1963.
Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind were the movies that epitomized the war in American minds for generations.
Gone With the Wind was the most important novelistic treatment of the war for the same period.
William Faulkner and John Crowe Ransom and Robert Penn Warren helped build a literary world that made the old Confederacy seem like a noble, if flawed, project.
Douglas Southall Freeman wrote the preeminent hagiography of Robert E. Lee and Shelby Foote wrote probably the most popular treatment of the Civil War for the general populace.
The Civil War is the first war where the losers and their descendants wrote most of the history.
“The Civil War is the first war where the losers and their descendants wrote most of the history. “
Don’t despair. The Era of the South Haters is in full bloom right now. Enjoy.
I have, on my desk, a copy of the oath of one George Washington.
I George Washington, Commander in Chief of the Armies of the United States of America do acknowledge the United States of America to be Free, Independent, and Sovereign States, and declare that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obediance to George the Third, King of Great Britain; and i renounce, refute and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him; and I do Swear that I will to the utmost of my power, support, maintain and defend to said United States, against the said King George the Third, his heirs and successors and his or their abettors, assistants and adherents, and will serve the said United States in the office of Commander in Chief ... which I now hold, with fidelity, according to the best of my skill and understanding. G. Washington”
The difference: The colonies did not pretend to legal secession, rather they revolted, which only became legal because they won. If they had lost, G. Washington and the others would probably have been hung. That requires real bravery, real commitment, and is only attempted for the most serious of causes, which you can find explained in the Declaration of Independence.
By contrast, secession at pleasure, as pretended by the slave power which ruled the southern states, followed by attempting a war against the legitimate US government for spurious causes deserves nothing but my contempt, no matter the courage of their devoted but deluded soldiers.
In particular the demand for partly white slaves to serve in the ‘Big House’ and mostly white female slaves to serve in the brothels greatly increased.
“The difference: The colonies did not pretend to legal secession, rather they revolted, which only became legal because they won. If they had lost, G. Washington and the others would probably have been hung. “
And those of us with patriot ancestors would be listening to independence haters denouncing Washington and company as evil slave owning traitors. The same drill that neoyankees now do, but just with a new target.
Depends on if you think that taking a city, disarming its citizens, starving the people, and seizing their property is a legitimate peacetime function of the government.
If you do, then you would be a Tory during the Revolution. If you don’t you would perhaps be a Patriot.
Of course during wartime, especially a war begun and declared by others against your nation, different rules apply.
We don’t hate the south, rather we love the truth.
“We don’t hate the south, rather we love the truth”
That’s really sad. If someone were to try to choose FR’s premier purveyor of malicious falsehoods about the South you’d be in the running.
You ought to at least admit what you do, as it’s obvious to everyone else. What was your latest? That Mack Lee was Robert E Lee’s illegitimate son? Well Mack Lee would certainly have been honored were that true considering the affection that he held for Lee. Those who are curious can read Mack Lee’s book for themselves:
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/lees%20slave.htm
But your claim has even less credibility than the Collander tales about Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. You post it simply to try to slander Lee, which is little surprise. Let’s contrast your scurrilous ravings with what one Republican President had to say about Lee:
“In 1907, on the 100th anniversary of Lee’s birth, President Theodore Roosevelt expressed mainstream American sentiment, praising Lee’s “extraordinary skill as a General, his dauntless courage and high leadership,” adding, “He stood that hardest of all strains, the strain of bearing himself well through the gray evening of failure; and therefore out of what seemed failure he helped to build the wonderful and mighty triumph of our national life, in which all his countrymen, north and south, share.”
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/robertlee.html#ixzz2RSMJwBdY
Things were incredibly more diverse in the South than are typically known. Louisiana is jaw droppingly complex compared to most of the rest, yet comparing them to, say, North Carolina of the time, it is amazing they could both exist in the same United States.
Here is a well written piece on the subject:
http://christophelandry.com/2011/02/04/louisiana-myths-quadroons-octoroons/
That clearly isn't true.
Much of the new history being written on the Civil War over the past two decades has been written by sympathetic Southerners or non-ideological Southerners and Northerners.
I would point to Gordon C. Rhea's ongoing project on Grant's Overland Campaign, and Peter Cozzens excellent multi-volume series on the war in the West on the Southern side.
Stephen Sears' (Antietam, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, Peninsula) and Noah Trudeau's (Gettysburg, Sherman's March, Petersburg) works on the Northern side, while they do not buy into the unsustainable Lost Cause myth any more than Rhea or Cozzens do, present a hard-headed picture of the Union's achievements - not a fawning portrait.
I am not aware of any best-selling writer or prominent military historian specializing in the Civil War who takes an aggressive, partisan, one-sided view of the conflict.
I would also point out that the best-selling social historian on the antebellum South, the late Eugene Genovese, was also extremely evenhanded in his treatment of the subject and exploded a number of ideological myths about the South in his work.
If George Washington had been born in the 1820’s, do you think he would have been a Confederate?
Dear Dr. Scott:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.
General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.
From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Eisenhower
“All those people who took up arms against the US in 1860-1865 were committing treason.”
You could say the same ting about the Revolutionary War, so do you hate this nation, too, because it was started by treason?
“Or a cause dedicated to keeping 3 million of its own people in perpetual bondage as property”
Slavery was started in the North by a black man enslaving another black man, so do you hate black men and the North, too?
Total tried for treason: 0.
Total number arrested for war crimes: 2
Henry Wirz was one of only two Confederates, tried convicted and executed for war crimes during the Civil War. The other was Samuel "Champ" Ferguson. Ferguson was a Confederate Guerrilla who admitted to killing more that 100 people, mostly civilians, who were sympathetic to the Union. He was tried for 53 murders and on October 10, 1865, was convicted and sentenced to death. He was hanged on October 20, 1865.
I accept the reasons give in the Declaration of Independence as adequate to justify their actions.
I reject the reasons given in the documents of the pretended confederacy as inadequate to justify their actions.
Clear enough?
Thank you for the correction.
See, I am not a politician interested in creating a false mythos for political gain.
Slavery had actually been started long before then, if the Bible has any truth in it. The Romans had slavery. The Greeks had slavery. The Spanish had slavery. The Arabs had slavery. Native Americans had slavery too, but its nature was sufficiently different that I suggest its differences were greater than its common features with that as instituted in the antebellum south.
Darned if I know. Why don’t you ask him?
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