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To: Nowhere Man; Political Junkie Too; little jeremiah; editor-surveyor; Eleutheria5; PA Engineer; ...
I say voter fraud played a part, a huge part perhaps but also many people voted for him so he can keep the gravy train rolling.

It's not only the "traditional" kinds of fraud - like the same individuals voting multiple times, perhaps in multiple states, dead people and ineligible people voting, operatives casting votes for others, deliberately falsifying the vote count in predominantly 'rat cities and counties - but there was also electronic fraud in vote counting, facilitated by hacking into devices like optical scanners and touch screens. It's the electronic fraud and cheating that has the largest impact on the reported bottom line. Furthermore, the fraud in the presidential race was obviously targeted to the swing states, which all fell to Obama on election night like dominoes.

The ultimate mathematical question will never be answered, it seems: Who would have won the 2012 presidential election had the election procedure been entirely on the level in every state in the country?

18 posted on 04/23/2013 3:52:33 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

The answer to that is simple ~ NEWT GINGRICH!


19 posted on 04/23/2013 3:55:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: justiceseeker93

We will never have a free election in the US again, our republic is lost forever.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 5:38:06 PM PDT by stockpirate (COME AND GET THEM.....)
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To: justiceseeker93

The SOS of IN has a 200+ page report on a voting machine that he refused to clear for use in our state. IT was used in every purple state. Get you hands on the report and make it public and everyone will know how Obama won


23 posted on 04/23/2013 8:29:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: justiceseeker93
"The ultimate mathematical question will never be answered, it seems: Who would have won the 2012 presidential election had the election procedure been entirely on the level in every state in the country?"

So true justiceseeker93. Since there is no record of how anyone votes, estimating how they would have voted is very difficult, though perhaps not impossible. I agree that padding or invaliding counts, or busing, or multiple voters, or even illegal voters are not really necessary. There is no verifiable record to corrupt! For what can be verified, the SEIU, which counts most votes, or its contractors, or Secretaries of State, or their contractors, can put any number into voting tabulation summaries and no one has any way to prove they are not counts, and no way to prove that they are!.

Allen West had no data with which to contest, and responses by his Florida precinct managers changed every time they were challenged for numbers. Our system has been modified so not to support or provide any audit trail. The talk now is about using Google or Facebook or Twitter for voting. Might as well ask television viewers to gather on election eve and raise their hands when their candidate's theme song plays. Representation is flawed or nonexistent, at least not through our election process. Google or Bing would come up with more representative numbers by characterizing voter preferences through their constant tracking of every web site we visit. But Google, which helped to put the Muslim Brotherhood into Egypt, and concealed corrupted Supreme Court decisions which would have helped citizens understand that we have positive law defining who are natural born citizen, can not be trusted to report their findings. They can be trusted to submit their data to friends in our FCC, Justice Department and Executive before allowing any such data to reach the naïve world.

These are solvable problems but the corruption within our government, and within both parties is so ubiquitous as to make solutions like Germany's return to paper ballots unlikely until we experience revolutionary changes in our government. Without representation, our only hope now is to assert change locally. Our failing economy, even with big banks doing well, may inspire change; but then again, it may not.

24 posted on 04/24/2013 12:46:58 AM PDT by Spaulding
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