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To: palmer
By violating the 4th, are you saying that they forcibly entered the homes?

"Wrong again. They had 9000 cops in the area. They violated the 4th all day long then held a news conference and stood down to a fraction of that number (officially they said Watertown plus an equal number of state troopers but they probably had more). It was at that point that the citizen called 911."

If the police were there all day, then so was Joker. He did not get out of their perimeter. When they stood down to a fraction of their numbers, Joker was still there because of the prior actions of the larger number of officers. Then the 911 call came in. And then he was arrested.

What Joker was facing was, obviously, a huge police presence. Some stood guard on the perimeter. Some went door to door contacting the citizens. Some were on the ground searching the area, and some were in the air. Joker couldn't move freely, so at some point he simply hid. The police got a break when the boat owner went out to get some fresh air. Luck played a part in this, as it does sometimes in other incidents. And now, Joker is in custody.

What I am waiting to see is a good diagram depicting where they picked up his trail, and where he was finally located.

34 posted on 04/22/2013 2:01:11 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
As I said above, I have no problem with a perimeter and searching every car leaving. I do have a problem with forcing people to stay in and searching their houses without cause.

The police got a break when the boat owner went out to get some fresh air.

Wong yet again. The homeowner was forced to stay in and it would have been over early AM if people had been free to move about and inspect their property. Instead they shut down a city and violated everyone's 4th amendment rights (i.e. confiscated weapons). They were hot in hot pursuit but lost the suspect in an area.

What I am waiting to see is a good diagram depicting where they picked up his trail, and where he was finally located.

From http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Watertown-homeowner-discovers-bombing-suspect-in-backyard-boat/-/11971628/19830042/-/gyw2ql/-/index.html "The boat is located about 3,000 feet from where a police chase with Tsarnaev and his 26-year-old brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, ended late Thursday night."

35 posted on 04/22/2013 3:23:44 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Enterprise
Here's an overview: http://nationalparalegal.edu/conlawcrimproc_public/protectionfromsearches&seizures/extowarrantreq.asp It's for evidentiary searches but equally applicable to any kind of police search, particularly when they choose to confiscate firearms. The applicable case is #6. In this case the police did not see the suspect enter any particular property so they have no right to search any properties. Individual homeowners may waive that right of course, but it is bad precedent to do so.

From a tactical standpoint a perimeter search of all vehicles makes much more sense. The suspect as driver would be dead meat. Suspect holding a driver hostage would probably result in the death of the hostage. But it is almost certain that a suspect defending a house with hostages and bombs would succeed in killing the hostages and probably wound or kill police doing that kind of search.

36 posted on 04/22/2013 3:38:13 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Enterprise

“By violating the 4th, are you saying that they forcibly entered the homes?”

Yes, they did. Go google for the videos. Several have already been posted online.


58 posted on 04/22/2013 7:10:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Enterprise
He did not get out of their perimeter

He was outside the perimeter the whole time. The boat owner's house was near but still outside the search area.

76 posted on 04/22/2013 8:10:24 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Enterprise

95 posted on 04/22/2013 9:24:15 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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