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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
 
>>we built this country on Islamic immigration with their stupid defense of continuing the practice.
 
This county, America, was built as a haven for "every infidel of every denomination".
 
 
 
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
 --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.
 
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"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
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 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
Your assertion, FRiend, was:
 
 
That assertion is clearly refuted by the reality of a plethora of resident, American-born, terrorists to whom the border is irrelevant.
 
Sealing the border will not prevent, or reverse, the ideological subversion of the Jihadist converted -- only TRUTH can do that. 
 

26 posted on 04/21/2013 9:32:43 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
How in the hell does this have anything to do with allowing foreigner jihadist from terrorist producing countries into our country? Did I say there should be an unconstitutional crackdown on any peaceful American citizens religious freedoms? Did I say we should establish a Christian theocracy? Exactly how does stopping Islamic immigration have any effect on a persons religious freedoms? Our nation wasn't built on Islam, and that's kind of obvious by the percentage of Muslim Americans that our nations population has been made of throughout it's history.

Our founders didn't tell us we have an obligation to rapidly increase Muslim immigration in the very distant future, that also coincides with violent attacks in the country by foreign Muslims.

You're trying to use Jefferson to make up some kind of right that grants foreigners superiority over American citizens, and your using his support of religious freedom, which I support, but isn't connected to anything we have been debating.

Why are you even attempting to use Jefferson in a frivolous attempt to build a ridiculous case to begin with, while obviously being a supporter of laws that ease our Constitutional rights in the name of safety? That is a direct and blatant contradiction to Jefferson's beliefs. I don't think anyone is under any illusion that our government wouldn't potentially abuse this power.

I don't trust our massive tyrannical government, and don't want it's powers expanded to “protect” me. I don't want a police force, with a history of dangerous incompetence overall, taking over a city and conducting warrantless searches. You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration, along with throwing out our Constitution under any notion of danger, is creating most of the problem that you want to solve by loosening our privacy, as if our tyrannical government will always have good intentions, and that's just creating another problem.

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27 posted on 04/22/2013 4:29:16 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Help put an Oath Keepers car on the NASCAR track, driven by Jeffrey Earnhardt! - WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG)
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