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Rick Warren Says Late Son Got Illegal Gun on Internet
ABC News ^ | April 12, 2013 | Arlette Saenz

Posted on 04/12/2013 5:00:21 PM PDT by yongin

Pastor Rick Warren said Thursday that his son, Matthew, purchased an unregistered gun over the Internet. It was that weapon that he used to take his own life last week after years of battling mental illness. "Someone on the internet sold Matthew an unregistered gun. I pray he seeks God's forgiveness. I forgive him. #MATTHEW 6:15," Warren tweeted Thursday. The Orange County Sheriff's Department told the Associated Press it is trying to identify the seller, but the gun's serial number was unreadable, making it difficult to trace the firearm.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; rickwarren; rickwarrenagenda; rickwarrenguns; rickwarrenlost; rickwarrenplatform; rickwarrensonsuicide; secondamendment; wastenotime
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

>> “I guess it’s easier to blame guns then his failed role as a father.” <<

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We have BINGO!


141 posted on 04/12/2013 8:30:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Inyo-Mono
It may not be legal in California, but it is in Arizona. The free state just east of California. What is to stop someone from LOOKING at the web site. Calling someone in Arizona and driving the 300 or so miles to Phoenix and buying the gun?

California can not block access to the web can they?
California does not stop and search passenger cars coming across the state line, do they?
If so, California is one hell of a lot more powerful than I thought.

142 posted on 04/12/2013 8:34:26 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: SandyInSeattle

>> “Matthew’s mental illness had nothing to do with failed parenting” <<

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Absolutely wrong!

“Mental illness” is spiritual illness. The kid inherited the father’s familiar spirit. That is Biblical.


143 posted on 04/12/2013 8:34:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: marktwain

I doubt that Warren is as deep into the gun debate as some of us.

It sounds like the police told him that it was an illegal gun with the identifying info removed and he just said, “unregistered” because that’s what they told him.

I would imagine a parent would say, “Where did he get the gun?” And police would say, “We don’t know ... it was unregistered...”

Also, with a history of suicidal depression, it’s quite possible that Matthew wouldn’t pass a background check to buy a gun.

I just think everyone needs to cool off and consider Warren’s position right now. Also, none of the proposed legislation (and from what I just checked California has some of the strictest) would have stopped this from happening.

The son bought a gun with information removed from it and killed himself.


144 posted on 04/12/2013 8:40:06 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: yongin

If he had hanged himself with a stolen (illegal) rope, would we be having this conversation? The gun didn’t kill him, he killed himself.

My dad committed suicide with a gun that he legally owned. That was almost 40 years ago. I have never blamed the gun and neither has my mother.


145 posted on 04/12/2013 8:41:13 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: yongin

The gun did not make him suicidal.

He had access to ropes, knives, pills, high buildings, bridges, a garage with a car in it...


146 posted on 04/12/2013 8:42:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh, I see, and that’s why Lithium helps aleviate some mental illnesses. ... Sometimes you get a little too lost in your own wordifyin’, dude.


147 posted on 04/12/2013 8:42:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Winstons Julia

If I had lost a child, getting into the political fight over gun control would be the last thing I would want to do.

Very possibly lying about it would tend to make him look like a very bad person.

He is the one who brought it up as an attack on gun rights right in the middle of a furious debate.

If all he wanted to do was grieve for his Son, we certainly would not attack him, but when he attacks us, and he did just by the wording of his statement you think we are being mean to dispute what he says.


148 posted on 04/12/2013 8:50:47 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: MHGinTN; All

MHGinTN posted: BUT, the sheriff’s dept did asseret that the serial number had been taken off.

Not exactly. They said, according to the article:

“The Orange County Sheriff’s Department told the Associated Press it is trying to identify the seller, but the gun’s serial number was unreadable, making it difficult to trace the firearm.”

“Unreadable” could mean a number of things. I have seen old firearms where you could not read the serial number, just because of wear. It is also possible that it is “unreadable” because it never was there in the first place. This is not a “high value” case. There is no point in determining where the gun came from. That is irrelevant, though it is pushed, by those who want to take away our guns, as important.

The only reason they consider it important is because it give them a semi-plausible reason to demand registration.


149 posted on 04/12/2013 8:51:18 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Vendome; yongin

“Perhaps the true meaning is the equivalent of off the highway ie; he went to buy an illegal gun, in a parking lot, off the highway/Internet....but not far???”

Fast & Furious comes to mind...perhaps Holder and his boss can shed some light on all this...


150 posted on 04/12/2013 8:52:55 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: MHGinTN

All the time you get way lost, 1000 miles from
God’s word.


151 posted on 04/12/2013 8:55:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: marktwain

Who except for you mentioned said?


152 posted on 04/12/2013 9:01:40 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: editor-surveyor

a Big 10-4. I hope and pray for the Warren boy and the family. I do not have time for blame.


153 posted on 04/12/2013 9:20:08 PM PDT by Lumper20 (`)
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To: Lumper20; All

Who except for you mentioned said?

Mea Culpa. They “asserted” not “said”.


154 posted on 04/12/2013 9:26:52 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: yarddog

He’s not in a GUN fight.

Maybe a different source can shed some more light on what’s going on because there have been a number of stories.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/12/17719128-rick-warren-son-who-killed-himself-had-unregistered-gun?lite

From this article:

“The Orange County sheriff’s department has struggled to determine where the gun came from, The Associated Press reported. It is practically impossible to trace, sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said.
“We can’t tell if it’s registered or not because the serial number is scratched off,” Amormino said. “At one point in time, it may have been, but it’s going to be impossible to find out. Background checks are required on all gun purchases in California, and defacing or altering a gun’s serial number is a federal crime.”

So ok... you have a family in grief... and possibly... they have a son who wasn’t allowed to have weapons due to a medical condition.

So the say, “Where did he get the gun?”

The cops say, “Dunno. It’s an unregistered one and the numbers have been removed (which is a crime....)”

So Warren thinks, “My son shouldn’t have been able to buy the gun and someone sold it to him illegally....but I forgive the person who did it.”

Do you see now? Or do you just want to keep being angry at Rick Warren?

Because honestly, if you think this supports GUN CONTROL... you are a LOUSY debater.

There’s not a law that would have prevented his child from getting a gun illegally.


155 posted on 04/12/2013 9:30:44 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Winstons Julia asserted:

“they have a son who wasn’t allowed to have weapons due to a medical condition.”

Where did you obtain the information that the son was not allowed to have weapons?


156 posted on 04/12/2013 9:36:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Please quote me fully if you are going to quote me:

“and possibly... they have a son who wasn’t allowed to have weapons due to a medical condition.”

POSSIBLY. They have said that their son suffered from crippling depression since he was a kid, if I’m not mistaken.


157 posted on 04/12/2013 9:38:51 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia; All
POSSIBLY. They have said that their son suffered from crippling depression since he was a kid, if I’m not mistaken.

Possibly. My error. Sorry.

It makes a big difference. Possibly. Yes, and possibly, he was not a prohibited possesor. We do not know, do we?

158 posted on 04/12/2013 9:42:24 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Somebody tell Rick we don’t have gun registration in the USSA. Yet.


159 posted on 04/12/2013 9:46:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; All

“Somebody tell Rick we don’t have gun registration in the USSA. Yet.”

Good idea. He is likely the victim of the overwhelming MSM propaganda about guns and gun control.


160 posted on 04/12/2013 9:59:10 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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