Posted on 04/10/2013 11:40:05 AM PDT by rmlew
I just talked to someone familiar with the Toomey-Manchin proposal who raises a serious concern based on his understanding of the legislation.
Everyone on all sides agrees that we need better help for those with mental health problems who need treatment.
Unfortunately, the person I talked with is concerned that the Toomey-Manchin proposal could discourage people from getting help.
The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.
There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.
Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent. In some states, should a doctor flag you as having mental illness without your knowledge, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns.
Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.
Mental health is a serious issue and the Toomey-Manchin legislation could have negative consequences. Worse, it would still not stop a Columbine, a Newtown, or the daily massacres in Chicago.
There were so many things wrong with Schumers S374 that I really doubt Toomey could have fixed them all.
Just more crap frm Washington’s power-mad *ssholes - both Democan and Republicrat.
Jack wagons!!!!
This already covered in the firearms act of1934.
Unnecessary and onerous
I doubt any senator read this.
Bloomberg’s cronies probably wrote this.
The same people who wrote obamacare as a socialist takeover.
Doctor on routine visit asks if I have guns in my house.
I tell him it's none of his business.
The doc adds me to the database, figuring I'm some kind of crazed gun nut.
Thanks, Toomey. You just ensured I will be working for whoever runs against you in the 2016 primary.
Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” are progressing so easily.
It says the “state” will come and collect the guns. Look for local cops, sheriffs and state police to give the feds extra firepower. They would all love to get on TV in a stand off with a “survivalist extremist”.
Senator Pat Toomey Facebook Page
"Pennsylvania has a long, bipartisan tradition of supporting gun rights. I am a proud part of that tradition. I am a gun owner. I revere the rights enshrined in our Second Amendment. My record shows this. Criminal background checks are just common sense. If you pass a criminal background check, you can buy a gun. It’s the people who fail a criminal or mental health background check that we don’t want having guns. That can be done without infringing on law-abiding people’s gun rights. And we ought to do it."
What do you want to bet that Obamacare will have a quota that physisicans will have to meet.
Didn't think so.
Sometimes I wonder if these nimrods know what a black market is.
What’s to stop pediatricians from adding every parent of their patients to the list. Because children shouldn’t live in a home with guns?
The correct answer is, "I don't have a gun. Nobody saw my gun. You can't prove anything."
They've already been doing that. Note that whenever agents from given agencies visit Joe Citizen, they always bring along their local or state LEO "partners" to provide muscle.
REALLY crazy people who don’t seek help will still be able to get them. And you will not have solved the problem but made it worse by ensuring that they will shun treatment.
The words to these laws will mean different things to different people.
So if you get pulled over for running a stop sign you might as well tell the cop to follow you home so you can give him your guns.
Or if you’ve ever been to the Betty Ford Clinic for treatment of alcoholism, expect a knock on the door.
And if you tell them you sold your weapons they’ll ask you why you bought ammo last week.
The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act
I’m not sure, isn’t it racist?
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