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Lots of ways to enforce background checks without documentation. Do sting buys at gun shows.

Have a system where people do a background check on themselves, good for a month, and they can buy any gun they want by showing the seller a printout proving that they are elegible. No records to any gun, or that a sale ever took place, but a record that the buyer was elegible.

Use the BIDS system instead of the NICS system. People check a database of prohibited persons. If the buyer is not on it, you can make the sale. The data base is refreshed every month and made available on disk or over the internet.

The left wants this for a registration system and routinely lies about it.

1 posted on 04/06/2013 6:33:03 PM PDT by marktwain
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Sure, the Democrat gun-grabbers want to have a government record of who has guns. What could possibly go wrong with that?


2 posted on 04/06/2013 6:37:30 PM PDT by txrefugee
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Why do we need background checks? Why can’t we use the same system voters use? Instead of verifying your citizenship and residency at the bottom of the form, you sign at the bottom certifying that you are not a criminal or crazy. If it works for the voters, surely it would work for gun buyers.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 6:38:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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Any such legislation infringes upon my God given right to bear arms.

Any knife in the back of the American citizen will have an R carved into its handle, this I have come to learn.

*spits on the ground*


4 posted on 04/06/2013 6:42:13 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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****Do sting buys at gun shows. *****

The instant the feds make the sting word will get out. Yell “FED AGENT!” and see how fast they are surrounded by 10,000 very unfriendly gun show patrons.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 6:47:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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Great ideas in reply #1 Mark.

Unfortunately, none of them will be used because they make too much sense and don’t provide for the hiring of several thousand more government goon union members.


8 posted on 04/06/2013 6:48:33 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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it’s time to take control of the issue and call it what it really is “People Control”!


10 posted on 04/06/2013 6:53:59 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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Guns are NOT a major issue in America. Our moral and economic decline need to be addressed.

LET’S DROP THIS CRAP ABOUT GUNS.


11 posted on 04/06/2013 7:13:35 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Dropping the record-keeping requirement would make it difficult for Democrats to support the bill, according to individuals familiar with the negotiations.
Democrats have argued there is no way to enforce the checks without some form of documentation.

The Democrats tip their hand here. They'll give on any other part of gun legislation except THE LIST. With a current, comprehensive list of ALL gun owners, we're one Sandy Hook - style massacre away from confiscation.

But we all know that, right?

12 posted on 04/06/2013 7:14:46 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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When are we going to have mandatory background checks, with
public disclosure, on people who run for public office?
14 posted on 04/06/2013 7:16:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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As a general strategy if the GOP can LOOK like they are compromising while inserting poison pills in the bill so Dems defeat them then they have hurt Obama and the Dems effectively at no cost,

Time will tell if this is what they are up to.

If Dems agree and it passes chances are we were screwed.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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I do not want any background checks. I should not have to seek and pay for permission of the government for a God given right.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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Democrats have argued there is no way to enforce the checks without some form of documentation.

What they mean is that without a required paper trail, simple possession of a firearm will still be presumable legal act.

The moment there is a requirement for a permanent record of every firearms transfer, the possession of any firearm manufactured after that date becomes an illegal act, for which the existence of the proper paperwork becomes an affirmative defense.

We will have changed the presumption of innocence, Instead of possession of a firearm being legal, except in specific circumstances as specified by law, possession of a firearm will be illegal, unless the proper paperwork was created, and hasn't been lost.

This is simply not something we can accept.

19 posted on 04/06/2013 8:19:28 PM PDT by jdege
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“Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.),” Democrat—same thing. No more anti-Second-Amendment laws. No compromises. Many existing laws need to be repealed.

Senator Tom Coburn, Republican, should be concentrating more on cutting government spending, especially pork.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 8:32:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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After struggling for months to reach a deal with Democrats on how to broaden background checks, Mr. Coburn has written a 43-page draft of a bill that wouldn’t require private gun sellers to keep a paper record of the sale, according to a copy of the proposal.

I generally like Sen Tom Coburn, but in this case, he is almost as idiotic as the gun-grabbing democRAT libturds. Why in the world is he conspiring with the liberal socialist gun-grabbing demTurds?

WTH, will this stop any inner city criminal thugs or hoodies from committing shooting crimes? Will they comply with this? Will any criminals be willing to participate in any aspect of this?

The answer to these questions is of course, ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only people who will be affected by this legislation, will of course by only LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

ANY information given to any gubmint agency can & will be used against you. So Sen Tom Coburn, my response is ABSOLUTELY NO!

28 posted on 04/06/2013 9:48:32 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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Coburn wants us to believe a government promise that private sellers won’t later be told they have to keep a record of the sale or send a record to a government repository? That government won’t make a record of your call listing your name and the name of the person to whom you are transferring the firearm. This on the same day the ATF put in the Federal Register a notice it wants to access all federal data on addresses, phone #s, tax records, finance transactions, criminal records & mental treatment records? Promise me a free trip to the Moon too.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 10:37:57 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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Dr. Coburn used to be a great Senator, then in 2008 he went hard left. Maybe if you are in the Senate long enough that happens. He should have gotten out before he lost his soul.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 12:04:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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