Posted on 04/05/2013 10:13:28 AM PDT by marktwain
Remember everything that the Nazies and Stalinists did was legal. We need to reread our Declaration of Independence.
Did you really think, even for a minute, that the lying S.O.B.s were ever going to erase anything?
My local gun shop told me they have to save 20 YEARS worth of 4473s.
I guess i watch too many cops shows
where they trace guns to owners through the serial numbers.
Do real police really do that?
yes, they track serials and can find you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/dawn-nguyen-arrested_n_2377285.html
(I know, HP, take a shower after you get offline :) )
“Police used the serial numbers on the rifle and shotgun, which were purchased on June 6, 2010, to trace them to Nguyen, Hochul said.”
so we already have a national registry?
Do real police really do that?”
In California the records are tied to your DL so they access the info through the DMV. When a traffic stop is done and a handgun is found a request is made for what handguns are registered to the “suspect” using DL information. If the S/N and weapon description that are supplied to the requesting LEO don't match then the S/N of the weapon found are fed back to the dispatch and a location and name comes back. After that the “suspect” has some “splainin” to do
I miss the rule of law. Hopefully it will be restored - soon. As part of that, we need to participate as jurors and nullify unconstitutional laws until they can be overturned or repealed. A law-abiding gun owner may lose personal property due to unconstitutional “laws”, but we should ensure that there are no felony convictions resulting from those laws.
so we already have a national registry?
No. We have nascent components of a national registry, in direct violation of the law.
We do not have any legal mechanism, except for voting in enough congresscritters and a president who will sign a new law, to enforce the law on the books.
Everything the NAZIs did was legal. Our government does not even bother with the legalities, at least if they are Democrats. Republicans bother more to follow the law, because they have to work worry about being exposed by the MSM.
The only question is whether all of our records are "online" for instant search, or whether they are merely archived for retrieval whenever some agency wants to see them. It won't make much of a difference if an order to confiscate comes down.
There was never any doubt that the reason for reporting the model, caliber, and serial number was for their permanent record. Anyone who tells you they aren’t keeping a database of owners and their firearms is a liar of an ignorant fool.
“When the NICS computer was built and turned on by attorney general Janet Reno, in compliance with the Brady bill in 1994, she announced that the system not only would not erase records immediately after a gun-buyer background check as required by law, it could NOT erase records at all. “
Federal documents. Kept forever.
Federal 4473’s are required to be kept by the dealer until he closes shop. Then they must be sent to the ATF storage facility in WV....not the state AG.
The 1984 GOPA and other laws through the years have allegedly prevented them from being indexed or transferred to a data base by specifically prohibiting it and denying any funding for it. When a gun is traced....they start with finding out who the manufacturer shipped it to and then thru the chain (wholesaler to dealer) and finally a visit to review the 4473 bound books in the dealer shop. They then call the “registered” buyer to see what he did with the gun.
States may have different laws such as the ones that require their own BG check (CA?) or permit (NY?)....I would imagine.
However, the current federal system has let us sell these 4473 “registered” firearms to anyone “off the books”...so they drop out out sight unless they surface in a crime. The so called gunshow and private sale loophole.
So, even though you bought a gun 5 years ago....it cannot be proved you still own it....unless you are buying ammo or accessories for it on a charge card or or have been seen shooting it at a range....etc. Then they may well suspect you still own it or something like it. They aren’t stupid.
Bottom line...there are many ways to track/profile who has guns, without knowing the specific gun or number owned.
You will only be able to hide if they aren’t looking for you or at you.
If you’ve ever had any contact with the construction of a large database or program as it’s being created you will know that they would have had to intentionally restrict it from erasing the data and not because it was something simple, like, no one in the room knew the proper code.
They are liars and criminals. Personally, I’m surprised that no one has $%^dfg%$^ Reno in her home by now for the crimes she committed against American citizens (namely American children). These people just walk the streets like it’s no big deal.
And they said that Ashcroft was radical.... it’s amazing really what they get away with.
We need a much, much weaker Federal government.
Depends largely upon how old the backup was, and if the data format is the same as current ones. For instance, if they were backing up using 9-track 6250-bpi tape in the late 80s to mid 90s, they may well have issues getting that data off the tapes unless they still have the tape drives handy to read them. Even if they do, they still have a good chance of getting read failures on the tapes. This is especially true for the cassette systems that used helical scan read/write heads (works kinda like a vcr tape head). Those are particularly sensitive to alignment issues, and don't keep well over time. A little tape stretch, and your backup isn't worth the plastic it's written on.
This is the upside of hardware obsolescence. The downside, of course, is the data that you would like for them to be able to recover, such as historical records for use with genealogical research is every bit as likely to suffer extreme losses due to bit rot.
I bought many of my guns way back before NICS, so there was only a paper form 4473 kept by the dealer. But I know that some of those dealers went out of business, and they were required to send in all their records when they closed. I don’t know whether they ended up in a filing cabinet or if they were scanned somehow. They know who I am anyway and where I live.
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