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To: cizinec
I don't appreciate being called a backwards libtard. And I wasn't speaking to the case in question. I was just pointing out that until 1833 we DID have States in our union that had State Churches.

And if the founders, i.e. the men who ratified the Constitution and established our government, had been opposed to it across the board, then that would not have happened. You can argue about this person's views or that person's views, but it was Constitutional.

The 14th amendment has been used to assert rights of individuals that were originally held only in the U.S. Constitution, but the restrictions of privileges afforded to States being constrained by the 14th amendment doesn't have as clear of a history. That's why I said there were “questions”. If there were not “questions”, then the Supreme Court would not take up cases dealing with the subject on occasion.

46 posted on 04/04/2013 2:05:27 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

What you are arguing is that the Bill of Rights still does not apply to the states. This includes things such as, oh, I don’t know, the 2nd Ammendment. There have been far fewer cases related to the 2nd Ammendment than state establishment cases. Or does your “logic” only apply when you like the outcomes?

“I was just pointing out that until 1833 we DID have States in our union that had State Churches.”

And we had legalized slavery. Are you saying slavery wasn’t a violation of individuals’ natural rights because the framers didn’t state that to be the case in the Federal Constitution?

I understand that the 14th Ammendment has been abused. Abuse of the 10th Ammendment does nothing to rectify the problem. Moving tyranny from one group of politicians to another is not the answer. Make no mistake, if your logic had any chance of winning it would be the end of America as the Land of the Free.


52 posted on 04/04/2013 2:43:20 PM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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