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To: Wyatt's Torch

The economy has ‘roared’ back, huh???

Pardon my French, but I say bullshtein, AJC! Even the cooked GDP numbers don’t tell that story.

Bloomberg’s going down the road of CNN. A propaganda machine.


5 posted on 04/02/2013 5:25:34 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
MC...

She is not in the world I am in. Passed to many 1/2 empty strip malls the other day and small businesses that were Tier Suppliers for the big three that are now vacant the other day.

Have you seen this :-)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQu3XN-Ce5w

6 posted on 04/02/2013 5:35:21 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: MichaelCorleone

GDP is about the worst measure of economic activity there is. Look at Industrial Production, Construction Spending and other similar measures to really see what is going on. GDP is a poor lagging indicator.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 5:35:53 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
From Bill McBride at Calculated Risk:

Update: Recovery Measures

by Bill McBride on 4/01/2013 05:44:00 PM

By request, here is an update to four key indicators used by the NBER for business cycle dating: GDP, Employment, Industrial production and real personal income less transfer payments.

Note: The following graphs are all constructed as a percent of the peak in each indicator. This shows when the indicator has bottomed - and when the indicator has returned to the level of the previous peak. If the indicator is at a new peak, the value is 100%.

These graphs show that some major indicators are still below the pre-recession peaks.

GDP Percent Previous Peak

This graph is for real GDP through Q4 2012.

Real GDP returned to the pre-recession peak in Q4 2011, and hit new post-recession highs for five consecutive quarters.

At the worst point - in Q2 2009 - real GDP was off 4.7% from the 2007 peak.

Personal Income less TransferThis graph shows real personal income less transfer payments as a percent of the previous peak through the February report.

This measure was off 11.2% at the trough in October 2009.

Real personal income less transfer payments returned to the pre-recession peak in December, but that was due to a one time surge in income as some high income earners accelerated earnings to avoid higher taxes in 2013. Real personal income less transfer payments declined sharply in January, and were 3.7% below the previous peak in February.

Industrial Production The third graph is for industrial production through February 2013.

Industrial production was off over 17% at the trough in June 2009, and has been one of the stronger performing sectors during the recovery.

However industrial production is still 1.2% below the pre-recession peak. This indicator will probably return to the pre-recession peak in 2013.

Employment The final graph is for employment and is through February 2013. This is similar to the graph I post every month comparing percent payroll jobs lost in several recessions.

Payroll employment is still 2.2% below the pre-recession peak.

All of these indicators collapsed in 2008 and early 2009, and only real GDP is back to the pre-recession peak (personal income returned to the previous peak in December due to a one time increase in income). At the current pace of improvement, industrial production will be back to the pre-recession peak later this year, personal income less transfer payments late in 2013, and employment in late 2014. Read more at http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/04/update-recovery-measures.html#lrMLtuUiiEYVAeJa.99

9 posted on 04/02/2013 5:42:51 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

If the economy were to “roar back” it wouldn’t be a good thing anyway. The Fed has printed so much imaginary money, an overheating economy would be accompanied by vary nasty inflation.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 8:12:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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