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To: jonrick46
Mandatory celibacy may be the root cause of two billion dollars to victims of priest-perpetrated sexual abuse.

A specious, at best, argument which provides no explanation for the behavior of public education employees or these Baptists or other protestants. None of these groups can use celibacy as a crutch for explaining their crimes. Why do you use celibacy as a crutch to explain the criminal behavior of perverts masquerading as Catholic Priests?

What needs to be addressed is the practice of mandatory celibacy.

What needs to be repeatedly addressed, and is every time someone like you makes these silly ill-informed arguments, is the ignorance people possess on this topic. I doubt you understand that no man seeking Holy Orders is forced to embrace celibacy. Celibacy in the Latin Rite is a requirement for ordination but it is a discipline that is freely embraced. If one discerns in the seven years, on average, they are in formation that celibacy is not for them they are free to seek another vocation. No one has a right to the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Also, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church, ordain, as a norm, married men. Those seeking ordination have 22 options, again proving your contention to be a false one.

This practice may have had its origins in the 12th century,

Although I doubt you'll be able to comprehend the following, you are in dire need of reading it. Unless of course you take great pleasure in exposing yourself on the web as a fool.

The Catholic Church has had bizarre notions about sexuality from its early history.

I suppose you consider the teaching in Scripture about sexuality as bizarre too, assuming that you are consistent.

For instance, in the year 400, Council of Carthage decreed that bishops, priests and deacons abstain from conjugal relations:

I suggest you familiarize yourself with Canons XXVII and XXXIII of the Council of Elvira, which predate Carthage by a century.

However, because of a learning process, the Catholic Church has learned that the earth is round and not the center of the universe.

It's telling that you skirt the issue of the Church and science but you make no mention that Copernicus, a Catholic Priest, championed heliocentrism 21 years before the birth of Galileo. Copernicus was attacked by protestants, including Luther, Calvin and Melanchthon. Kepler, a protestant, had to flee his country because he was attacked, unanimously, by the protestant faculty at the University of Tubingen for writing "damnable heresy". Kepler was given refuge by the Jesuits and given a teaching position in a Catholic university by the Pope himself. Incidentally, Aristotle and Ptolemy rejected heliocentrism.

I just want the church to continue its positive role in human history by doing better.

Sure you do. If anyone believes that nonsense, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Behind every double standard lies an unconfessed single standard.

50 posted on 03/31/2013 10:59:12 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I think the only good thing that can come out of this is that perhaps it will force so many Christians who vote democrat, to wake up and finally realize that the left wants to destroy them.

I have been to a few Catholic message boards and quite a few posters who have been lifetime Democratic supporters (all because of “social justice”) are now expressing tremendous remorse.


53 posted on 03/31/2013 11:22:57 PM PDT by eekitsagreek
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The attrition rate of seminarians is anywhere from 40 to 60 percent. Some report that only 15% of those who enter the seminary make it to ordination. This requires the Church to recruit larger numbers of candidates because a large number at great cost will drop out of the seminary. The desperate situation of not having enough priests is having detrimental consequences for the Church. It has caused Pope Paul to ask these questions In his encyclical Sacerdotalis Coelibatus:

“Must that grave, ennobling obligation remain today for those who have the intention of receiving major orders?”

“Is it possible and appropriate nowadays to observe such an obligation?”

“Has the time come to break the bond linking celibacy with the priesthood in the Church?”

“Could this difficult observance of it not be made optional?”

“Would this not be a way to help the priestly ministers and facilitate ecumenical approaches?”

“And if the golden law of sacred celibacy is to remain, what reasons are there to show that it is holy and fitting?”

“What means are to be taken to observe it and, how can it be changed from a burden to help for the priestly life?”

It is this preoccupation with the burdon of celibacy that takes the Church away from its more important duty: working for the sacrament of marriage.

For your reading I suggest this reading, The Disputed Case for Clerical Celibacy By Robert J. Willis, Ph.D.:

The Disputed Case for Clerical Celibacy

54 posted on 04/01/2013 1:22:10 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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