not till you open them ALL in Right To Work states...
Posted on 03/30/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by giant sable
The Department of Labor estimates that some three million Americans with Bachelor degrees work in jobs that don’t require an education at all–janitors, barristas, bartenders and retail clerks.There are a lot of obvious reasons why junior is now living in your basement at age 25.
(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...
Breaker one nine ...
Story about Bertrand Russell arrested in the late 60's for resisting arrest at a demonstration over nuclear weapons....
Jailer to Bertrand...."and what do you do....?"
Bertie: "I am a philosopher"
Jailer: and what does a philosopher do?
Bertie: "I think"
Jailer: "Well then...do you think you an take this toothbrush and clean out all those toilets back there?"
And we should drop the fantasy that the only worthwhile job is a tech job. Blue collar jobs should be something to be proud of.
Yep. You’d be amazed how fast someone in the tech/political/education/bureaucratic/entertainment industries can’t WAIT to meet my hubby when the stuff that’s supposed to be going down in the toilet starts coming UP in the bathtub!
LOL!
Or how happy to see me in July and August when their AC breaks down.
So good to hear that Diana! There is a strong appreciation in your message and it really perks me up to read it. I wish you continued success!
I think the point of that comment was that the CC could provide two-year courses in something that is actually marketable.
Instead they just give the kids two years of liberal arts and then pass them on to a university for more of the same. It matters little whether a student attends a CC for the first two years or goes four years to a university if they are studying non employable curriculi.
Of course, all the guidance counselors in high school and college have their degrees in philosophy and sociology and they enjoy reaffirming themselves by putting students on the same course. The scientists, engineers, plumbers and electricians are not the ones guiding the career paths of the youn.
Level 60!!? That's so yesterday! The WoW max level cap hasn't been 60 since the beginning of 2007. It's up to level 90 now, after 4 expansions. Reaching level 60 nowadays definitely doesn't cut it, and certainly doesn't demonstrate much of anything, much less "monster leadership skills" (then or now especially).
heh - amusing
not till you open them ALL in Right To Work states...
yes and doing first 2 years at community college is just great
but some of the community colleges are cutting their career-path classes
(Note that most of the career-path classes do give students what they need to earn livings. But, a lot of the students in the “BA transfer track” get degrees that do NOT provide them much in the way of knowledge or skills for earning livings. And to be quite honest, most of the humanities type courses do not really teach much that would be recognized as genuine “liberal arts” or serious “knowledge for its own sake,” either... ).
All I’m saying is that this is leading to more total unemployment as so many students take programs of study that are not useful in terms of the job market. AND I will add one more thought, for whatever its worth, if a student takes 4 or 5 years of sociology and remedial English and ethnic studies and “community organizing” — whatever that may be — and then winds up unemployed, it is because they have made themselves unemployable ... they could have taken some courses that would have given them knowledge and skills enabling them to actually make livings. They chose not to do that. Fine and dandy, just don’t complain to me about it. I’ve already paid through the nose to build and subsidize all those colleges you went to. That’s enough subsidy, you’re 28 years old... if you can’t find a job, then make one for yourself... start a business... foreign immigrants are doing it all the time here....)
“Time to grow up... despite what the politicians want you to believe....”
Thank you for posting this. this needs to be seen by a lot of people.
The comment to which I responded implied an intent with political motive when in fact demand is driving it and the institutions are merely responding to that demand.
Community colleges locally all have “Fast Job” training programs primarily directed at the recently unemployed but open to all, in fields with known need for trained employees.
These haven’t been curtailed in favor of students in need of affordable transfer credits to enable them to pursue a university degree. I’d imagine most states have a similar situation.
Hopefully you're not too insistent upon Ada as a desired job skill, vs. C++, Java or C#. The only place I know of where Ada skills are still considered a valued attribute is Europe. It's long dead as a desired programming skill in the U.S. aerospace and defense industry, except on legacy programs still in maintenance mode that haven't yet been upgraded or replaced.
Moreover, the "Aerospace and nuclear" industries that you cite aren't exactly hiring these days, even if they were looking for Ada programmers. Quite the contrary.
How about the old "Save some work for tomorrow" or "Pace yourself".
Of course that same bunch will wonder why you got the raise or promotion where they didn't.
Such is life.
How ironic. I've been bouncing back and forth between FR and watching episodes of Dirty Jobs.
I've seen it...probably the best thing I've even seen on the subject of what real life is all about! Not the shakey-fakey stuff that passes for 'life' on TV nowadays.
Okay...I'll admit it! I adore Mike Rowe...and Mike Holmes too!
Hey..... hubby's name is Mike! Am I sensing a theme here?
LOL!
Oooooo! I like you already!
:-)
Mike Holmes has a bit too much ego for me
when my barber retired, i bought professional grade Oster clippers and cut my own... ROI was less than a year
Oh, Philosophy is pure bovine scataology. We can learn everything we need to know about the Constitution, science, what is true, good, and beautiful from real estate agents and salesmen. We don’t need no steeenkin philosophers, lawyers, or historians. Money answers all questions.
I know what you mean, but IMHO, when a man knows what he's doing and can fix stuff, he's entitled to a bit of ego. :-)
How insistent is too insistent? Mostly I want to use good tools that capitalize on compiler-technology to catch errors earlier, rather than as an option.
BTW, Ada just got it's new standard: Ada 2012. (Though perhaps the Rationale does a bit better explaining/introducing things.)
vs. C++, Java or C#.
Just cause I didn't list them doesn't mean I haven't used them; I did a little w/ Java [in school] and my sub-subcontracting job is C# -- that doesn't dissuade me from my opinion that they are inferior to producing large systems and, all other things being equal, would rather use Ada.
The only place I know of where Ada skills are still considered a valued attribute is Europe.
Funny you should mention that; I've put out a few (2 or 3) inquiries to European companies... not much interest though.
It's long dead as a desired programming skill in the U.S. aerospace and defense industry, except on legacy programs still in maintenance mode that haven't yet been upgraded or replaced.
I know for a fact there's a demand for it -- the F-22, IIRC is one -- I think the problem there is that I fail the "minimum of X years industry experience" and possibly the "security clearance" (though that one's mitigated in that they usually have an "or the ability to obtain" clause and that I do have prior military experience).
The one time I got a real response on it the hiring-manager disappeared from the face of the earth and the employment agency that had me lined-up was kinda in a "well crap" position. (The job sounded pretty interesting too, working on HUD for, IIRC, aircraft [though I don't recall if it was the F-22].)
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