Posted on 03/28/2013 2:54:01 PM PDT by drewh
Conservative talk show how Rush Limbaugh said Thursday on his radio show that conservatives have lost the gay marriage debate and that it is now “inevitable.”
“This issue is lost,” he said. “I don’t care what the Supreme Court does. This is inevitable. And it’s inevitable because we lost the language on this.” Limbaugh added that conservatives lost the debate because they allowed the term “marriage” to be “bastardized.”
“As far as I’m concerned, once we started talking about gay marriage, traditional marriage, opposite-sex marriage, same-sex marriage, hetero marriage, we lost,” Limbaugh said. “It was over.”
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That’s what Rush is recognizing, though he didn’t say it in so many words.
Bob Dylan said it best.....”The Times, They Are A-Changin’.”
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one
If you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’.
And that pretty eloquently sums it up, whether we like it or not.
I agree. Frankly, I can’t think of a good direct way to frame it to most people outside the ‘choir’. I have at least gotten several friends away from the liberal position to a libertarian position (I don’t even believe in that position but I wanted to at least bleed the libs a bit) by simply making a statement along the lines of ‘is there anything we can do any more that doesn’t require a government license?’.
I noticed a couple started picking up the ‘get government out of it’ mantra instead of the ‘make it legal’ mantra.
I had a comment I made to a gay friend that got him thinking and I’ve seen him repeat it (he was already libertarian so it fit his thinking.) ‘Do you really want the government keeping lists of who is gay?’
For the masses though who aren’t die-hard Conservatives, I have trouble thinking of a good manipulative argument to contrast what the left has come up with on this one. They have painted our side into a corner marketing wise.
The only argument against the idea of equality is that nature itself is a hierarchial institution. There will always be the dominant who have the natural right to wield power over the weak.
And we all know who made that argument most fervently in the Twentieth Century. He had a Charlie Chaplin mustache.
Oh yeah, and he led his country to ruin and destruction.
And that explains the problem precisely. It was never about "equality" in the first place. It was about, in the space of just a few years, the most radical change to civilization since the Bronze Age. A younger, dumber generation doesn't have the perspective yet to see that perhaps not everything that happened before they arrived was without value. Keep in mind... The generation that is now running things watches "The Daily Show" as their ONLY news source.
Sad truth is that we’ve lost the war on homosexuality & transexuality (worse than gays). In 1992, the discussion would be that there is something wrong with gay/lesbian behaviors & that there is something wrong with sex change mutilations-they must make it a crime to do sex changes.
But since 2000, discussion mainly is about marriage. & it’s not Democrat/Republican. Too many Republicans are apologists for gay/lesbian behaviors, so not a Democrat/Republican topic. Too many young people (those under 30 years old) see nothing wrong with gayism/lesbianism. When people see nothing wrong with gay/lesbian behaviors, then marriage becomes inevitable as Mr. Rush H. Limbaugh said. All you posters who are my age (born 1969) & older know that when it comes to information war, we have lost this on the gay/lesbian topic because too many young people (again those under 30 years old) see nothing wrong with gayism/lesbianism & transexuality & this isn’t 1992 anymore where many to most people would agree with us that there’s something wrong with gayism, lesbianism & transexuality.
You’re right. Especially when things such as California public schools having a day to honor homosexual statutory rapist Harvey B. Milk along with fairy tales of Laramie Project are done in public schools with taxpayer $s, where opposing views are censored.
While gays/lesbians have filthy sexual behaviors, if gays & lesbians want to privately honor homosexual statutory rapist Harvey B. Milk & not push their views on schoolchildren, then that’s 1 thing. But what’s sad is that they do it in public schools & kids who tell truth of who Harvey B. Milk was get censored.
Must say that the Laramie Project & the Shepard Foundation which includes Judy Peck Shepard see nothing wrong with Harvey B. Milk committing homosexual statutory rape on a 16 year old boy in 1964. With Laramie Project & Judy Peck Shepard, honestly, Judy Peck Shepard’s interest is to profit from her son’s death by writing a book & she makes money off of this. These other things are more proof that we have lost information war that too many people see nothing wrong with gayism/lesbianism & transexuality, especially when public schools in California require students to honor homosexual statutory rapist Harvey B. Milk.
I guess it depends on one’s perspective. I am not saying there won’t be some kind of perversion of the institution of marriage...but as far as I know, no civilization has lasted that has embraced and celebrated sodomy.
The namesake city, for instance—Sodom. Or the Greeks. Or Roman Empire.
And the United States is not immune—as she has continued to murder unborn innocents, enslave millions into dependence, and now seemingly moving toward a celebration of perversion, she will also suffer dire consequences.
Revival is what is needed: a spiritual awakening, and God is capable of saving and redeeming a people out of this wickedness. A remnant, if you will, can stand and be witnesses to His truth.
So “lost” might be accurate in a limited political sense, but not all of life is political. We are creatures beyond political ones.
Rush knows that, deep down, I think...Certainly we should.
One possible solution I have thought about is for the name of the institution to be changed to “Holy Matrimony”....I know that is not a “new” term, but the secular world can embrace “marriage” all they want, perhaps. We who follow Christ ought to take the vows seriously and recognize that Holy Matrimony is only between a man and woman.
By the way, I believe the church as a whole was blind to the slippery slope when easy divorces became available...it didn’t really take a stand for keeping couples together, and when marriage became easy to dissolve (”we just don’t love each other any more” nonsense) the churches of America should have been stronger in resisting this trend.
Not to mention next on the agenda, constitutional right to have more then one wife or husband...Like one of the SC Judges asked, “where does it end with constitutional rights? Polygamy? Brothers and sisters getting married? Opens the door to what is fair, equal and constitutional right. For many years, homosexuality was thought of as immoral. Fast forward, media, activists have won the battle to make it moral using the “hate” mode of operation. So- next, polygamists will want their rights too....
Screw you and your defeatism, gasbag.
He stopped mentioning the homo agenda 2 decades ago. I started listening to him when he was local in Sacramento and he was pretty good. After a few years he turned gasbag, and a while after that he stopped even mentioning the homo nazi agenda. Or a lot of other vital issues. He keeps it light, acceptable, and self serving.
Maybe if he had told the truth about the “gay” life and the homo nazi agenda more people would know the truth.
He’s a defeat, and he assisted the defeat.
Well that’s all true, but it has nothing to do with what Rush was talking about. He was merely observing that the battle has been lost.
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It’s not over unless we say it’s over. Giving up is not the way wars are won.
THere are thousands of good arguments about why the homo agenda is extremely destructive.
You apparently don’t wnat to tell anyone the truth who isn’t already on board.
THe wretched health and earlier death of fags
Children raised by them have horrible problems
Pedophilia and ebeophilia is rampant among homosexuals and pedophilia has been promoted as natural for some years, they’re going for legalizing it
AIDS tainted blood is one of their pet projects
Hate speech and hate crimes take away our constitutional freedoms
Forcing everyone into kowtowing their agenda via sensitivity (gag) training is unconstitutional
THe public schools are turning into homo indoctrinal centers
They want the Boy Scouts open to boy molesting homosexuals
Homos in the military is extremely destructive (male rape increasing just for one example)
Same sex marriags opens the Pandora’s box of polygamy, incest etc and this is already happening.
Homosexuals have a much higher rate of drug and alcohol abuse, crime in general, domestic violence, and a large proportion of serial murderes are homosexual
And on and on and on.
People are just chickens*** to tell others the truth. They might not loike you. But they’ll think about it.
I said I disagreed with Rush on that point, and explained why...the “battle” is not lost, it has merely reached another stage.
Frankly, I am surprised to see/hear Rush surrender on this idea. He railed today on how Republicans do the Surrender Dance on every issue...and yet are we to believe HE also thinks this is an issue to surrender?
I find that a bit hard to believe. Let’s see what Rush continues to say; perhaps he isn’t finished weighing in on the subject.
:)
Hitler once said that the victory of his Hitler Youth was inevitable because “we have your children”.
As long as God-fearing, God-loving conservatives keep their children close and educated in their faith, the Marxists won’t win this debate even with the state on their side.
They won’t defeat me, they won’t defeat my family and most importantly they will not defeat my children.
I’m with you, SoFlo. May God have the final word here.
Then let’s go back to what was being talked about in 1992 or better 1972, when we said that there is something wrong with gay/lesbian sexual behaviors & that there is something wrong with surgically mutilating some1 to make them fake opposite sex members. We need to convince young people (under 30 years old) that there is something wrong with gay/lesbian behaviors & that there is something wrong with sex change maimings.
I fear Rush is right and with a gop with their heads up their assess, we are going to suffer big time.
“because gays are incapable of fidelity.”
Lurking Libertarian wrote:
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Hate to get technical here, but I’m not aware of Rush Limbaugh ever cheating on any of his wives.
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