Posted on 03/28/2013 8:33:24 AM PDT by Maelstorm
Just keep praying for your daughter -- and for the salvation of the "wife".
I am reminded of the last conversation I had with my girlhood best friend, who had fallen away from the church in young adulthood when she married a domineering secular guy. When in her 60s she had terminal cancer, I asked her what she thought would happen after she died; and of course she said, "You're just gone. That's all."
I said, "What if you're wrong? What if what you learned in Sunday School really was right, and your rejection of God will have eternal consequences? What if you don't get to say how it is, but there is a stronger force than you who will decide what happens to your soul?" At this point, tears were running down my face. "If there's a heaven, I don't want you to be missing from my eternal life, my friend!"
She said, "I'd go back to church, but my husband will kill me!"
To which I incredulously replied, "But you're already dying, girl! You've given up your religion for him for all these years. He can do this last thing for you, drive you to church."
Next I encountered them was at her funeral (we lived far apart). They both had formed a relationship with a church and pastor, and although her husband remained unconverted, he did arrange a beautiful, reverent Christian funeral for her that was very well attended.
I thanked him; and I thanked Him.
Bob Fosse -- amazing. thanks for the diverting moments!
Thank you so much for your moving story. It has given me some encouragement.
I have a total of four daughters and currently all of them have fallen away. One is indeed married to such a man, she spent this past week posting that red gay marriage logo on her Facebook page. She has three children. Another is busy with a new boyfriend, but he was raised right and there may be hope there. Her two kids are believers. Another is becoming very aware that she needs to start her toddler in church. She has even requested we do something as a family on Sunday even though her sisters are already committed elsewhere. My prayers for them are constant. My gay daughter lives in DC; the two oldest grandkids visited them there last week. I know the reason they want the kids to visit them is partly to show them the city and partly to indoctrinate them. Thanks for your encouragement.
Parents and parenting play a role. So probably do genes, hormones, birth order, abuse, seduction, chance, habit.
But a lot of parents who understood and tried to avoid all the stereotypes -- tried not to be smothering and overprotective or distant and emotionally unavailable or brutal and abusive or judgmental and hypercritical -- still ended up with homosexual children.
From that I conclude that it has to be more complicated than people assumed a generation or two ago.
It is more complicated however the “born this way” tack is totally rigid and ultimately there is a choice to act on homosexual desires and decide to live as a homosexual or whatever type of sexual person you desire. Its not just parents, its not all biology because biology is just the machine, its a combination of things. I know one person personally whose first sexual encounter was being molested as a young man by his uncle. Those that would dismiss this event as not contributing to his sexual orientation are in denial. Does that mean that all gays are molested no but its pretty clear that being sexually abused is more common for gays than the general population. I’m familiar with the hormonal research and morphology research and the genetic research and epigenetic research. The biological contribution for homosexuality is about as predictive as it can be for other behavioral traits which is somewhere in the range of 20-30% which suggests a strong environmental component. Also regardless the degree of causality of the biological component it does not explain the tendency of gay males especially towards obscenity,sexual exhibitionism, rampant promiscuity, and far too much tolerance for blurring the lines where underage males are concerned. I totally support being tolerant but this doesn’t mean the whole of society should be redesigned to elevate and norm homosexuality and other sexual “deviance” at the expense of decency and heterosexual norms.
I wonder how many homosexuals lose much of their attraction to the same sex as they get older? I have wondered if a percentage of people grow out of homosexual attraction.
You are definately right about the pro-gay “ad campaign” that we have all been subjected to for some 20 to 30 years. I was switching channels on my tv when I caught a minute of a sitcom. There was a young girl about 11 who was teaching her parents about gayness. It was very heavy handed propaganda and not funny at all. This reminded me why I stopped watching ABC, CBS and NBC years and years ago.
Was there a split in the family when your brother announced his was gay?
A little passive-agressive getting back at dad it seems.
That is a good point because couples almost always lose their sexual desires sooner or later with age if they don't die first for obvious reasons.
I can see that happening with the men more than the wimmin.
Wimmin bond together closely without sex much more naturally than men do. This is true with hetros too.
That reminds me now of a related point I haven't thought of for a while that National Review did a great article on it very long ago:
Men and Women are always very different (gender) emotionally psychologically and physically even with men gays and wimmin gays but in the debate in ‘civil rights for gays’ versus classic immorality/morality this points has been lost.
Unfortunately when Republicans allow the terms of the debate to be framed in that way they always eventually lose.
The point is that Gay men are far more self destructive than gay wimmin are for reasons that should be obvious. This fact has been completely left out of the current debate especially when presented to young adults who will not accept 'Its wrong just because it is'
Controlling, clinging mother.
Homosexual molestation or indoctrination at a young age.
They know what the recipe is.
o-yea. For a few years - eventually like all families do it smoothed itself out - then he died of AIDS.
it is disputable.
no it is not beyond debate. It is like blaming prison enviroment homosexual behavior as mere sex genes. there is no science or logic to that.
The USSC did not adress the immutable trait issue. they just take the born that way myth for granted. (see kagan)
These explanations were common before the gay take over but now all alternative views to the politcally correct view are censured and totally banned from discussion. This is one of the most distructive aspects of the gay movement. Freedom of speach is the first casualty of the gay movement.
Gay men are more promiscuous and thus disease ridden and more given to drug use (meth).
But I hear some lesbians have very violent relationships.
True.
That is fixed by the new version of the VAWA Obama just signed.
What would be the effect of a gene that causes anyone (male or female) who possesses it to be extremely strongly attracted to females? I would posit that even if such a gene might be detrimental to the reproductive success of any female carriers, it might conceivably double the rate of reproductive success among male carriers. If it did so, it could be expected to be passed on through succeeding generations. Likewise a gene which causes carriers to be attracted to males might harm the success of male carriers, but boost the success rate for female carriers. Again, a gene which did so could be passed on through succeeding generations.
If one considers it likely that sexual attraction is not controlled by a single gene, but by many, one should expect that many individuals would not have a perfectly-balanced set of sexual-attraction genes, but many would have a set that is biased in varying degrees toward males or toward females.
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