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To: Jeff Winston
The entire purpose of the 14th Amendment was to ensure that black Americans would not be deprived of their civil rights and their United States citizenship.
True, that. The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted expressly to grant U.S. national citizenship to all de facto fellow countrymen who were born within the sole jurisdiction and boundaries of the USA, but were born of a special class of parents (i.e., former slaves) who, but for their enslavement, would themselves have been citizens.

Most former slaves were born jus soli - of the country's soil, yet a Constitutional amendment was required to just make some of these, our fellow countrymen, citizens. That’s right (and plain as can be). Many former slaves who were born on U.S. soil were legally being denied citizenship by certain states because they were born to non-citizen parents! (They were not born jus sanguinis – of citizen blood.)

Clearly, jus soli was not enough to make them citizens (let alone natural born Citizens). That the Fourteenth Amendment exists at all is proof positive that the founders did not consider jus soli sufficient by and of itself to confer natural born Citizenship status – blood and dirt were both required.

The above train of thought is perfectly consistent with the founders’ expressed intent to prevent our commander-in-chief from having any foreign affinities, loyalties or allegiances. The natural born Citizen clause ensures that the circumstances of our president’s birth provide no claim by any foreign power that our president could be a direct subject or citizen of that power. That means that our president must not be born within the jurisdiction of any foreign power of which the USA recognizes their jus soli birthright citizenship, nor may he be born to parents (jus sanguinis) either of whom the USA recognizes as being legitimately claimed as subjects or citizens of a foreign power. Note that when an alien naturalizes as a U.S. Citizen, he does so by legally severing all ties to any former land(s) and swearing sole allegiance to the United States.

Blood and dirt – perhaps not perfect, but the founders recognized it as doing the best job of protecting sovereign Citizens of our great nation from the danger of a usurper gaining the presidency (and sadly, the danger that comes from defying their wisdom we are experiencing first hand today).

375 posted on 03/28/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by elengr
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To: elengr
Clearly, jus soli was not enough to make them citizens (let alone natural born Citizens). That the Fourteenth Amendment exists at all is proof positive that the founders did not consider jus soli sufficient by and of itself to confer natural born Citizenship status – blood and dirt were both required.

Jus soli was enough. No such citizenship was being denied on the basis of a lack of citizen parents. It was being denied on the basis of RACE. It was only black people (and sometimes, perhaps, Oriental people), NOT the children of (for example) German or Norwegian immigrants who were being denied their citizenship.

Again, the denial was NOT on the basis of "non-citizen parents." It was strictly on the basis of RACE.

And those who passed the 14th Amendment were very clear that they were passing a law that was DECLARATORY of the law as it already existed.

As they understood it, they were not even making new law. They were simply declaring the law as it already existed and ought to be.

For that reason, your statement is not accurate.

428 posted on 03/28/2013 2:11:56 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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