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To: Norm Lenhart
I don't disagree with a word you posted, I detest what the GOP has become. OTOH, we cannot even unite here on a primary candidate....I'm sure you remember the last primary season here.

Hell, we had posters here listing nothing but vicious attacks against others favorites and not posting arguments to support their own candidates....some of the nastiest crap I've ever seen her on FR

Maybe I shouldn't even be posting right now, don't want to be negative and a drag, but I think the whole thing should just collapse, let's get it over with and start the fight to rebuild it the way it was meant to be, vis a vie The Constitution!

50 posted on 03/26/2013 3:07:51 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

If it takes a collapse, so be it. Better than life under Soviet liberal rule.


57 posted on 03/26/2013 3:13:16 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“Hell, we had posters here listing nothing but vicious attacks against others favorites and not posting arguments to support their own candidates....some of the nastiest crap I’ve ever seen her on FR.”

You are right, and I’m ashamed I was part of that (except I don’t regret opposing Romney...I knew he was a loser all along). I especially regret bad mouthing Rick Perry. He is looking mighty good to me now.


59 posted on 03/26/2013 3:14:53 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
BTW, the Federalists thought that only men of power, wealth and property should get together to vote in moral stewards for the nation.

Jefferson knocked the snot out of them the day he realized that the way you win is get your own followers to the polls to vote for your candidates.

That's the way its been ever since. Don't look for us to return to the Federalist theory of elections any time soon.

TJ won with 61.4% of the vote ~ in 1804 he won with 72.8% of the vote. Madison then won 1808 with 64.7%. Finally, in 1812, an internal opposition to the big dogs in the Democrat-Republican party rose up in the person of DeWitt Clinton ~ himself a member of the Democrat-Republicans, he wanted MORE PORK. The Federalists threw their support to him but he lost anyway. In 1816, after the conclusion of the War of 1812 the Democrat-Republican party got the credit for what folks thought was a good conclusion and swept another of that brand into office ~ James Madison. Worth noting the Democrat-Republican party big dogs, still savoring the victories they'd gotten in the past looked at that tiny threat from DeWitt Clinton and co-opted all the main Federalist positions, thereby forcing them into a 'me to' campaign. The Federalists didn't even challenge Monroe who won in 1820 with 80%!

Finally, by 1824 the unopposed Democrat-Republicans broke into 4 factions, each with its own Presidential Candidate. Jackson won the most votes but John Quincy Adams won the vote in the House. But the signs of the power of the single member district were quite apparant. A large single party monopoly was not possible in this very large country ~ too many politicians were willing to bet it all on getting that 50%+1 vote win, and they began risking everything. By 1833 a new party called the Whig party moved into the national stage and won two Presidential elections before it died two decades later. Eventually two other Whigs won President, but as Republicans.

62 posted on 03/26/2013 3:30:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Not just in the last primary season. On this very thread some bigot takes a gratuitous swipe at Santorum.

Some day, in the prisons-mental hospitals to which the few who continue to oppose the Lie are relegated, we’ll have time to reflect on how we bickered and back-bit until it was too late.

That is if they don’t forcibly drug us into vegetables to deny us even coherent interior protest.


67 posted on 03/26/2013 3:36:30 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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