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To: bluerose

For all who have been killed/horribly injured on Obama’s watch, Obama has lost Iraq and will lose Afghanistan, thereby making heroic sacrifices worthless. I’m not arguing whether nation building in such places is doable - that’s another debate. Bush had the belief of preemption in regard to preventing more 9-11s. What is Obama’s overriding principle??? For the deaths and maiming on HIS watch...


3 posted on 03/21/2013 1:17:54 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

Bush the Younger thought the way to prevent 9/11s was through nation building. Which reveals neoconism as stupid (as if we didn’t know). That, plus he ran against nation building, which makes him a liar and as unprincipled as you accuse Obama of being, as well.

Obama’s overriding principle is the same one guiding the Establishment view of both parties for at least a little over a century. I don’t know what it is exactly, since they never say. Basically it’s a mix of imperialism and internationalism so as to ensure Anglo-Saxon especially and Western generally control of global markets. Also, global cultural hegemony, but less so. They’ll leave pygmy tribes alone to be pygmies, maybe. Or at least only make them go to school for a couple years instead of making them wear a shirt and tie on threat of blowing them up.

If you’re an oil exporting country, then they’ll blow you up for sure should you threaten to raise the cost of energy. Not willy-nilly, but on the slightest pretext.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 1:31:11 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: txrangerette
My sense is that Obama wants Iraq either to descend to total chaos or to become a major enemy of the US in the region, to solidify the conventional wisdom that it was a mistake to invade and remove Saddam. He knows that he won't be blamed for the negative outcome--all the blame will be placed on Bush.

If Gore had been President during that period the US would not have invaded. Saddam would be alive and in power and possibly possessing nukes which he could drop on Israel more easily than Iran will be able to when it has gotten to that stage.

Obama does not seem to have the security of the US and its allies on his radar screen. His goals are to win the approval of the chattering classes in the US and to protect and advance Muslim interests worldwide.

10 posted on 03/21/2013 1:51:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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