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To: Gunslingr3
1. They've committed all kinds of crime including, crossing the border illegally,

Does someone crossing the border violate anyone's rights? This sounds like a 'crime' against the regulatory state.

There was a time when American citizens and our government prided themselves as being "a nation of laws" as opposed to being like a third world mud-hole where inconvenient laws are openly disregarded.

Now we have a culture where people feel they do not have to obey constitutional laws they don't like.

It is against our law for foreigners to enter the country illegally, to remain here illegally, to lie about their citizenship, to use false ID, to seek employment and to seek government benefits using false identification.

How can you just say that it is okay for illegal aliens to break the law because it is only a 'crime' against the regulatory state?

It is a crime against the sovereignty of the nation and against every law abiding legal citizen.

Illegals spit on us as citizens, and on our country, when they break our laws and take taxpayer paid government handouts provided for citizens.


66 posted on 03/21/2013 8:10:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro
There was a time when American citizens and our government prided themselves as being "a nation of laws" as opposed to being like a third world mud-hole where inconvenient laws are openly disregarded.

Like Prohibition?

Now we have a culture where people feel they do not have to obey constitutional laws they don't like.

Slavery was constitutional, but it still deserved no adherence by moral people.

It is against our law for foreigners to enter the country illegally, to remain here illegally, to lie about their citizenship, to use false ID, to seek employment and to seek government benefits using false identification.

I'm not debating what the law is, but rather advocating for what it should be. The law should welcome people who want to come to the U.S. and work, don't you think? If the law prevented you from working to take care of your family, would you break the law or resign yourself and your family to misery?

How can you just say that it is okay for illegal aliens to break the law because it is only a 'crime' against the regulatory state? It is a crime against the sovereignty of the nation and against every law abiding legal citizen.

And does a crime 'against the sovereignty of the nation' break your leg or pick your pocket?

Illegals spit on us as citizens, and on our country, when they break our laws and take taxpayer paid government handouts provided for citizens.

Ahh, so we're back to welfare (I swear, at the heart of EVERY argument I see against immigration is actually an opposition to welfare). If the law forbid federal welfare handouts to illegal immigrants (and it does, read the link provided earlier), on what grounds do you reject people who come to America seeking to work and fulfill that proposition known as the American Dream?

Immigrants are less likely than Americans to not be in the workforce. Their second and third generation progeny actually have higher earnings than the median native born. Immigration and immigrants are a boon to our nation's future, and it is a mistake to conflate the subject of immigration with the injustice of the welfare system. Focus your anger and desire for change in the right place. Like I said before, the GOP won't find a greater ally in the desire to roll back the welfare state than Paul.

78 posted on 03/21/2013 8:43:32 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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