[jboot]

Skin color isn't really germane to the issue. The real problem for Republicans is that no outreach plan can compete with free stuff. White people behave exactly the same as black people in this regard. Given access to free stuff people of any color will become dependent on it. They will strongly support the party that offers more free stuff and reject the party that takes it away.

We don't need a plan to uplift blacks. We need a plan to wean them off of the free stuff. But no one will touch that with a 10 foot pole. IMHO this issue doesn't get fixed as long as the US has access to credit. The politician has not been born who has the stones to say "no more free stuff".

[apoliticalone]

“We need a plan to wean them off of the free stuff. But no one will touch that with a 10 foot pole.”

I agree, only that the problem goes on at both the top and bottom and we need to wean both off.

America is the only country in the world that gives away trillions of dollars it doesn’t have, and gets and expects nothing for the average taxpayers in return.

Since most of the good paying jobs went to China and most of the corporations are now international, America doesn’t have as many average taxpayers so we must borrow the giveaways from China.

Why don’t we have policies that if we are handing out to those that need help with unemployment, disability, welfare, Section 8, free phones, that there would be programs in place that required those on the dole to work on the many things that actually need done from picking litter, to learn new skills or get a GED that would help them, and more importantly discourage them from staying on the dole. No - we just give it all away and get nothing back.

And it happens at the top end too and it is just as bad if not more costly. We should be requiring direct payback plus interest from all global corporations and banks for the USA taxpayer money (Fed Reserve handouts) that have gone to them as bailouts and incentives, etc. When did we the taxpayer become a fundamental part of a “capitalist” business plan?

This policy of giving taxpayer dollars needs to end for both the top and bottom. Sorry didn’t mean to highjack the thread ....just add some relevant thoughts that hit me at the moment.

[redgolum]

You are right, and mirror what I said.

My grandfather said once that handouts are a narcotic. Once you take one, it becomes easier than working.

Now we have whole cultures in this country that are made up of people who haven’t worked in generations. And the majority won’t, if history serves as an example, even if it means they starve.