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#DontStandWithRand (His amnesty speech was a pastiche of clichés)
National Review ^ | 03/20/2013 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 03/20/2013 6:31:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Rand Paul’s amnesty speech before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce was a pastiche of establishment cliches. Permit me to select some and respond:

Growing up in Texas I never met a Latino who wasn’t working.

While this kind of flattery is expected when politicians pander to any kind of group, in this case it’s not true. The latest data show that 65.4 percent of U.S.-born Hispanics over age 16 have a job, and 68.4 percent of Hispanic immigrants (legal and illegal) do, compared with 69.3 percent for the country as a whole. That’s not a difference worth getting excited about one way or the other, but it does show that Hispanics are regular people, not toiling supermen.

Republicans have been losing both the respect and votes of a group of people who already identify with our belief in family, faith, and conservative values. Hispanics should be a natural and sizable part of the Republican base.

Oy vey. Hispanics are more negative about capitalism, and more positive about socialism, than even supporters of Occupy Wall Street. By almost four-to-one, Hispanics prefer bigger government over smaller government. Sixty-two percent of Hispanics support Obamacare. The majority support gay marriage. Among the U.S.-born (who make up the large majority of Hispanic voters), 40 percent use welfare and 45 percent have no federal income-tax liability. Outreach is important, but can we finally retire the notion that there’s a conservative Republican inside every Hispanic voter just waiting to come out if only the GOP backs amnesty?

About his ancestors, Senator Paul said:

In their home and their church they spoke German. Republicans who criticize the use of two languages make a great mistake.

The problem is not use of two languages. It’s the official use of two languages, and the utter lack of diversity in the immigration flow, creating the unprecedented situation where a majority of immigrants speak a single language, increasingly making Spanish a co-official language with English. That way lies Quebec, or worse.

Many have faced intolerance and bigotry. It was not always easy to be German American in the face of two world wars started by Germans. Intolerance is not new, and it is not limited to one language or skin color.

Unbelievable. The victimology craze has reached the point where someone of partly German ancestry can proudly boast that he, too, knows the sting of prejudice. Who’s next, Episcopalians? They were hassled by the Puritans in colonial Massachusetts, you know.

I’ve never met a new immigrant looking for a free lunch.

This betrays an almost childlike lack of acquaintance with reality. Most immigrants using welfare also work. In fact, our welfare system is designed to subsidize the working poor who have children, which is a good approximation of the average Latin American immigrant. And we do almost nothing to bar or remove immigrants using welfare.

The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

This is at least coherent, but wrong-headed. A post-industrial, knowledge-based economy with a well-developed welfare state and a multiculturalist, anti-assimilationist elite, does not benefit from more immigration. Someone wrote a book about this, if I recall. What’s more, Senator Paul just a few months ago said the trade-off for amnesty should be “not to accept any new legal immigrants while we’re assimilating the ones who are here.” To go from an immigration moratorium to open borders in the space of four months is a real accomplishment.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

(My emphasis.) Now he’s getting his talking points from Obama? A “balanced solution” on immigration will work out the same as on the budget; just as future spending cuts promised in return for present tax hikes never happen, future enforcement in return amnesty today will never happen. Spending cuts — and enforcement — first.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

I’m sorry, who’s proposed that?

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you.

This comes after a reference to illegals, so might be referring to them, but they already “live and work in America” — that’s the whole point. But if, as his advocacy for ever-more immigration suggests, he’s referring to people who aren’t here yet, then we’re approaching libertarian kookiness. Gallup reports that 150 million people want to move to the United States, and once they get here, scores of millions of their relatives will also want to do so. There is no practical limit to the number of people who would move here based on market forces, so we have to impose one.

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

Jeez, immigration speeches are just a matter of Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. Illegals aren’t in the “shadows”, they’re lobbying Congress and appearing on TV. Illegals already pay taxes; it’s just that they’re so unskilled and thus earn so little money that they are inevitably net costs to taxpayers (and the sum of those costs would increase with amnesty). And the lack of assimilation isn’t caused by illegality, it’s caused by government race laws and affirmative action and big-city school systems (that most immigrant kids attend) that teach students to be embarrassed about America.

My plan will not grant amnesty or move anyone to the front of the line.

I’d have a lot more respect for someone who just came out and said, “look, of course it’s amnesty, and I don’t like it any more than you do, but we’re stuck having to clean up the mess our predecessors left us.”

But what we have now is de facto amnesty.

Sure it is, because Senator Paul’s amnesty ally, President Obama, has downgraded immigration violations to a secondary offense, like not buckling your seat belt, meaning that only those who violate a “real” law face possible deportation.

The solution doesn’t have to be amnesty or deportation-a middle ground might be called probation where those who came illegally become legal through a probationary period.

I love this — the “middle ground” between deportation and amnesty is a different kind of amnesty. This is like saying the middle ground between my offer for a car and the salesman’s price is my offer, but I’ll pay by check instead of credit card.

My plan will not impose a national ID card or mandatory E-Verify, forcing businesses to become policemen.

Even Democrats understand that immigration enforcement is literally impossible without giving employers a tool to distinguish between honest people and liars. This really is a recipe for open borders.

We should not be unfair to those who came to our country legally.

It’s not those who “came to our country legally” who get screwed by amnesty, though of course they’re exposed as suckers for having obeyed the law. It’s those honorably waiting abroad who really get the shaft, because illegals jumped the line to get into the U.S. and are rewarded for their lawbreaking by being permitted to stay.

Nor should we force business owners to become immigration inspectors-making them do the job the federal government has failed to do.

Business owners are just making sure the people they hire aren’t lying to them. If Senator Paul wants to abolish Social Security, the income tax, and the entirety of labor law, that’s a coherent stance to take. But you can’t honestly leave all that in place but say that employers, in filing the standard paperwork for a new hire, shouldn’t have to check to make sure they’re not being lied to.

.After an Inspector General has verified that the border is secure after year one, the report must come back and be approved by Congress. In year two, we could begin expanding probationary work visas to immigrants who are willing to work. I would have Congress vote each year for five years whether to approve or not approve a report on whether or not we are securing the border.

I don’t even know what this means. I guess once the border (meaning the whole immigration system, including airports, land crossings, the entire visa process, etc.) is secure, all the illegals would get their amnesty, and then Congress would vote again every year for five more years. But if they vote no, then what? Would the “probationary work visas” be revoked? Maybe in some alternative universe, but not here in the real world. So basically, his plan is the same as the Schumer-Rubio amnesty.

Senator Paul amassed a lot of political capital with his filibuster, even among people who don’t fully agree with him on the drone issue, or foreign policy in general. But I’m afraid he’s just dissipated a lot of that good will with this embarrassing, amateurish foray into a policy area he knows nothing about.



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KEYWORDS: 2013; amnesty; immigration; krikorian; randpaul; standwithrand
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To: TADSLOS; sickoflibs; Grampa Dave; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; La Lydia; raybbr
Pols are clearly in collusion---in the pockets of THIRD WORLD GOVERNMENTS with pressure groups in the US illegally.

And w/ federally-funded n/p latino agit/prop groups pushing their agenda on the backs of taxpayers.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES OF (1) THE CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS, (2) AND FEDERALLY FUNDED NON-PROFITS---LA RAZA, VOTO LATINO, HISPANIC FEDERATIONS IN MANY STATES, AND SO ON.

Under the Bank Secrecy Act, banks are required to establish, implement and maintain programs designed to detect and report suspicious activity indicative of money laundering and other financial crimes.

“The Bank Secrecy Act was enacted to protect the public from harm by identifying and detecting government fraud, money laundering from criminal enterprises, terrorism, tax evasion or other unlawful activities,” the special agent in charge for Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation, explained.

L/E needs to examine the bank accounts used to pay for govt activities.

<><> Joint bank accounts might be used to facilitate the transfer of of govt funds. Govt monies may pay for personal and private expenses, credit cards, real estate sunsidies and vehicle purchases.

<><> To cover their tracks, fake invoices might be created to show that money deposited into accounts was being used for legitimate govt purposes.

The scheme might be advanced by issuing phony statements of payments from federal and state sources that actually covered the transfer of funds for govt employees own use.

<><> L/E is directed to get ahold of: (1) copies of checks, (2) wire transfers, (3) account statements, (4) invoices, (5) bills, (6) delivery tickets, (7) correspondence including e-mail, contracts, loan agreements, and, (8) any other books or records.

L/E should also explore (a) monies paid to brokers, sub-brokers, (b) family members, (c) mortgage brokers, (d) financial managers, and, (e) real estate agents, brokers, and developers.

<><> L/E should scrutinize federally funded non-profit bank accounts for suspicious activites: (A) large deposits, (B) funds transferred from one account into another, (C) frequent requests for withdrawals.

<><> Bank records might also show diversions to secret LLC other accounts, to operate personal businesses. Govt fraud can also be facilitated by withdrawals, gift cards purchases, credit card purchases and intrabank transfers from govt accounts into personal accounts.

<><> A huge tipoff is whether bank withdrawals support luxurious lifestyle including payments for real estate, investment and stock holdings, jewelry, luxury vehicles, resort travel and gifts from luxury outlets for wives and mistresses.

Taxpayers demand the Bank Secrecy Act be used to prosecute NON-PROFIT govt fraud pronto.

41 posted on 03/20/2013 8:11:18 AM PDT by Liz
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To: SeekAndFind; All

” - - - I’ve never met a new immigrant looking for a free lunch. - - - “

Then you have never been to a US Border town hospital emergency room entrance and seen the mass of illegal aliens from Mexico lining up for FREE medical treatment for their entire families just brought in from Mexico for their annual check-ups with their English interpreters.

The only way to make the Illegal Alien “Problem” go away is to make the USA as hostile as possible to those who have ALREADY broken our US Border Laws.

For starters:
* Repeal and ABOLISH the Federal Hospital Emergency Room Free Medical Treatment Law;
*Fine all private employers $1, 000 per day per illegal hired;
*Enforce ALL US Border laws;
*Jail in Arpaio-Style Border Outdoor Prison Camps ALL men women and children for 6 months, as required by existing Federal Law, any UNDOCUMENTED people found ANYWHERE in the USA.

The Reagan Amnesty did not work, and the Rand or Rubio Amnesties will also not work.

BTW, the US/Mexican Border is 2, 000 miles long, so that border will NEVER be secure. Spend the money on apprehension and incarceration instead of try to fix the unfixable.

BTW, BTW, the deportation of the 12 MILLION Border Law Breakers from Mexico would solve our current unemployment problem.

It is all about the money, Senator Rand Paul - - - it is all about the money.


42 posted on 03/20/2013 8:16:36 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Bingo! Your post is spot on.

Sen Paul needs to go to my Walmart and see the multitude of illegals buying groceries - during the day...entire families..who's working?? - with LoneStar cards. That's a free lunch, Senator.

43 posted on 03/20/2013 8:20:21 AM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: txrangerette
RE :”Rick Perry doesn’t belong on that list with the others. But you can never tell that to someone with a track record of deep hatred for all things Perry.”

I am pretty anti-amnesty but I dont live life with blinders on in the fantasy world of the 2011 primary debates,

RP was right about those brought here as kids and who grew up here with pristine lives. No national election (or maybe even statewide) will ever be run (won) on either deporting them or labeling them as criminals. That position will never gain support and as we saw last year will likely fuel effective opposition except maybe white males born before 1955,

Romney talked like that during the primary to beat Perry then his advisers showed him the polls and he tried to avoid immigration entirely in the general, a disaster.

Living in a fantasy world just results in the worst. And that is what it got us.

44 posted on 03/20/2013 8:33:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: TADSLOS
RE :”l really don’t give a damn what twisted logic Rand Paul or any other pol is using to sell this unicorn fantasy crap. It’s damned pathetic and the coward’s way out. Do something useful. Enforce the f*&king law!”

Two parties :”Sorry, we dont serve that flavor anymore. The ice cream only comes in amnesty robust and amnesty-light. You still need time to make up your mind?”

They already got a form of amnesty light with Obama ‘s order and Hillary in 2017 will just extend it.

45 posted on 03/20/2013 8:37:34 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Blue Highway
RE :”I’m not blaming her, just disappointed as she would have won as she isn’t the typical RINO lite that we always get stuck with. Hell, I would have been happy with Godfather’s Pizza entrepreneur Herman Cain.

Cain is another one.
Cain seemed fun to watch and listen to me at the time but after his meltdown reflection tells me that he was not a serious candidate. Cain was a caricature of a candidate, not a real one. A real candidate would have checked out a world map on wika to find out where Iran was before an interview.

At risk of repeating myself 2011/2012 taught me that to beat Dems its important to have real candidates not just blow-hards who have either none or weak experience, a record that can be cited in a campaign to win.

If 2016/2015 results in another stream of GOP losers then Hillary will make 2008 look like a Mccain victory and more Wise Latinos on the court to follow.

46 posted on 03/20/2013 8:44:12 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind

These establishment orifices are putting lots of words in Senator Paul’s mouth. They would do well to put that much energy into stopping Barack Obama!

Senator Paul’s plan is a bit more stable and comprehensive than characterized and seems to have lots of requirements that have been completely overlooked.


47 posted on 03/20/2013 8:45:24 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A great deconstruction of the Paul political suicide.


48 posted on 03/20/2013 8:56:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Go ahead and violate the laws of nature. But nature and nature's God will have the last word.)
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To: txrangerette

The other 2011 debate primary fantasy was them all promising to balance the budget without raising a dime in taxes, they would all just say ‘no’ to the 10 to 1 ratio.

Those debates just became ‘...but my fish that got away was this big even bigger than yours...’ contests with each trying to out lie the other.


49 posted on 03/20/2013 8:59:32 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: dangus
Who says we have to deport anyone? Cut them off from welfare, SSI, and enforce workplace verification, and they will go home on their own. ?

Impossible: because of the perverted interpretation of the 14th Amendment, and lack of political willpower to change the Naturalization Act to adjust it, all babies born to illegals are U.S. CITIZENS, and thus cannot be denied benefits - which for a minor are collected by their parents. The "anchor baby".

50 posted on 03/20/2013 9:08:11 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

I would of liked to of seen...I’ve never met a new illegal immigrant looking for free ER medical care.I’ve never met any women here in this country illegally accept free hospital services for giving of child birth and come back to have more free taxpayer paid child births.I never seen any women whom had children accept welfare,food stamps, etc,etc. He needs to go to Southwest Houston.. He will find what he says does not exist.


51 posted on 03/20/2013 9:53:34 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: SeekAndFind
Yet another promising Republican sells out and offers sacrifice before the altar of amnesty for illegals.

I'm waiting for at least one politician to have the intelligence and honesty to realize that pandering to Mexicans by supporting amnesty will only win over a miniscule number of their votes (because liberal Democrats are so much better at pandering to noisy "minorities" with free rides), while alienating millions of Americans who want something done about the illegals.

Trading votes in hand for imaginary ones has always been a stupid move.

52 posted on 03/20/2013 10:35:37 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: sickoflibs

Paul opposes using the WORD “amnesty” What a brave fellow he are : )


53 posted on 03/20/2013 11:51:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In politics, all it takes to make a false bill of sale is a change of name. So rather than admitting “I support amnesty for people who illegally entered the country” push the same effective policies with vague, less offensive-sounding names like “path to citizenship.”


54 posted on 03/20/2013 1:16:18 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

” In politics, all it takes to make a false bill of sale is a change of name. So rather than admitting “I support amnesty for people who illegally entered the country” push the same effective policies with vague, less offensive-sounding names like “path to citizenship.” “

Like GHWB called his tax increase “revenue enhancers”


55 posted on 03/20/2013 1:27:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Paul opposes using the WORD “amnesty” What a brave fellow he are : )”

Not just Paul, the word has gone out to them all at least at the Senate level. They went to PC (RNC Prius) school

Here:

Illegals is out
Recent Immigrants is in

Moochers is out
Natural conservatives is in

This doesnt concern me though, what bothers me is what they pass.

56 posted on 03/20/2013 1:49:41 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs

iS “ UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRAT “ not cool now ?


57 posted on 03/20/2013 1:59:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs
Natural conservatives is in

I think I'll gag if I hear another political hack repeat the "Hispanics are natural conservatives" mantra. They're "natural conservatives" in precisely the same way that blacks are "natural conservatives," (i.e. generally low income minority group with a strong sense of group identity and "us versus them" mindset towards white/Anglo Americans).

58 posted on 03/20/2013 2:06:59 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Liz; cripplecreek; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; ...
Update on Paul

I saw Rand on today's Cavuto and he was put on the spot over my key issue on amnesty :citizenship. And guess what?
Rand Paul said he agrees with Rub on illegals getting pathway to citizenship and that they can get it ‘without leaving the country’, because they will have to wait HERE a long time for it (WOO-WOO), he says 'not jump ahead'.

As I been preaching, the key is US (path to) citizenship. Dems would never accept a bill without it, so now they all Rand, Ryan, Rub, .... are for it,. I told ya they would.
The 'just pass something' (GOP) crowd + the Dems together outnumber the 'dont pass nuffin' (GOP) crowd. We have seen it already.

I can see giving a break to some of those who were brought over as young minors and were raised here as Americans depending on the situation ,
But to me if anyone here illegally wants citizenship then need to leave this country and get on line behind those before them. Any reform must state that.

In fact its time to make it more difficult for legal immigrants to become citizens, Maybe they should understand the US constitution and history and how the government works., sounds crazy I know

You see the path for how amnesty will be passed,

59 posted on 03/20/2013 7:27:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
I can see giving a break to some of those who were brought over as young minors and were raised here as Americans depending on the situation , But to me if anyone here illegally wants citizenship then need to leave this country and get on line behind those before them. Any reform must state that.

I don't love it but its acceptable with the stipulation that chain migration doesn't apply.
60 posted on 03/20/2013 7:32:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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