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Even if the GOP passed amnesty for the 13 million here, they will still not get the Hispanic vote because they can't promise more freebies than the Democrats.
1 posted on 03/18/2013 3:39:31 PM PDT by tobyhill
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“Even if the GOP passed amnesty for the 13 million here, they will still not get the Hispanic vote because they can’t promise more freebies than the Democrats.”

Evidently your thinking is flawed....I posted similar articles this morning and what I got was a bunch of insults.
The GOP and FR has been infiltrated. I feel like I need a shower! Going to take another break since FR is NOT going to enforce their ‘no personal insult’ policy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998141/posts?page=32#32 (one of several from the same operative)


35 posted on 03/18/2013 4:08:27 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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So, they looked at the numbers, and the reason why Ronald Reagan was elected a third time was amnesty... Err, why George Bush wasn’t reelected was amnesty.. Err, umm, why Bill Clinton was elected was amnesty...

Oh, fudge, it’s like this global warming thing, you did into the data and it just doesn’t make any sense...

I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but are these morons on the payroll of coyotes or something? This plan continually refreshes the welfare state which makes it MUCH more difficult for a conservative to get elected...

Ah, there, I guess that’s really the point here. To make it impossible for a conservative to get elected.

Left behind by yet another party..


36 posted on 03/18/2013 4:08:40 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: tobyhill; cripplecreek; GeronL; Norm Lenhart
Stick a Fork in them!


38 posted on 03/18/2013 4:12:01 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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In reality, I wouldnt mind if they did amnesty IF...IF there were NO WELFARE, SCHOOL, MEDICAL, SS Payments involved and END the CITIZENSHIP of 2 illegals having a child here!!!!!

WHat happened to SPONSORS like immigrants USE to have to have to enter the country and work!!

We were talking to neighbors from the UK that came here late 60's or early 70's, and they HAD to have a JOB WITH A SPONSOR, X-RAYS, Medical check-up and the UK ONLY allowed them to bring in $500.00, and this Visa was ONLY for 2 YEARS!!! Then you had to PROVA AGIN that you had a JOB that could SUPPORT you and your family!!!

39 posted on 03/18/2013 4:13:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: tobyhill

There is no other way to say it appropriately, so I’m just gonna say it:

The GOP Ruling Class are the Judenrat for the MarxoFascists, and they are going to help Obama eradicate Conservatives.

Unless Conservatives get the hell out of that party while the getting is still possible.


42 posted on 03/18/2013 4:17:05 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Romney got about the same draw as Reagan. Bush got more but he still didn't get more than half.

Frankly too many of these people grew up in countries where Socialism is popular ~ not because it delivers anything but they'll kill you if you don't believe in it.

Besides sending them back home we probably need to stop letting any of them in until they figure out that this country is not about Socialism. That they got. We want something else and that ain't it.

47 posted on 03/18/2013 4:20:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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they say it’s just not feasible to deport 20m illegals....

yet they have no problem with the thought of forcing participation or imprisoning 20-200m people if they don’t pay for 0bamacare

the GOPe is just another group of power hungry big govt progressives


48 posted on 03/18/2013 4:24:01 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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They should just change the name - it will be cheaper and accomplish just as much.

The new name should describe what the party leaders want the party to become.

Smething like "Democrats 2" would be just the ticket.


49 posted on 03/18/2013 4:24:02 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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This is the GOPe report... They lost by not being conservative. All wrong conclusions. I’m really “done” with the GOP... I’ll only support conservatives, never again a party.


53 posted on 03/18/2013 4:27:55 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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As an old white guy, I’m offended by the GOP report.


57 posted on 03/18/2013 4:29:48 PM PDT by moovova
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Mitt Romney’s staunch conservative

Behold the only time you will ever see those four words used consecutively.

60 posted on 03/18/2013 4:32:51 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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Here's a direct link to the "report"... interesting reading, to say the least.
62 posted on 03/18/2013 4:36:29 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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Yes! Immigration Reform! Turn it into emigration! Or even Deportation!

Put the RINO’s on the same boat...


75 posted on 03/18/2013 4:58:02 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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i am done with them. let them be damned. and if they are beavers, let them be dammed.


80 posted on 03/18/2013 5:21:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Immigration and Gay marriage, going on in the future, are probably losers for the GOP. I hate to say it, but I give up, the culture in general is moving in that directions.


89 posted on 03/18/2013 5:48:13 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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From the article; “Why Amnesty for illegal aliens must be stopped”

These RINOs and other people tell us that the GOP must embrace amnesty for illegal aliens in order to win Hispanics’ votes. Embrace amnesty or perish, they tell us.

But they’re dead wrong. The GOP will perish if it adopts their proposals, NOT if it rejects amnesty. That’s because most Hispanics are natural liberals, and giving amnesty (under whatever name) to 12-20 million illegal immigrants from the Third World will create 12-20 million new Democrat voters.

Say there are only 12 mn illegal immigrants in America. Let’s assume they’re legalized and that Republicans achieve George W. Bush levels of the Hispanic vote (44%). That still gives the Democrats a net gain of 1.6 million new voters – 6.72 mn new supporters vs 5.28 mn.

Easy to see why the Democrats are for this. But why would a Republican Party that is not suicidally-minded support this?

If amnesty is passed, you can kiss the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and many governorships and state legislatures goodbye, forever. Republicans will never again be able to win any national election again. The Democrats will gain at least 1.6 mn new voters on net and will thus have permanent majorities in Arizona, Texas, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada.

When Texas goes, America goes.

Consider: while 18 states that have a combined 242 Electoral College votes have voted Democratic in the last consecutive six presidential elections, cobbling together an EC majority has been increasingly difficult for Republicans. Republicans last did it in 2004, and completely failed to do so in 4 of the last 6 elections.

California, overwhelmed by immigrants (legal and illegal), is now stridently liberal. New Mexico is now also out of reach for the GOP. Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, and Florida are increasingly problematic for Republicans. Only Texas and Arizona remain secure – for now.

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/03/why-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens-must-be-stopped/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=why-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens-must-be-stopped

I think they have some back door deal for the Republicans to take a fall & kill the party. Probably paid off the GOP leadership to make this happen in 2014 so O can complete his (meaning Soros’) agenda. Obama has some very big money behind him with an agenda (think Soros or the Saudi Royals).. I assume this is the case because NOBODY can be this stupid!!


90 posted on 03/18/2013 5:50:30 PM PDT by TabithaBliss
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