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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
The DHS needs to give the American gun owners their ammunition back.

Ultimately, that's exactly what happens. Even in traditional wars troops advance and retreat as it is appropriate. When they retreat they are often not able to take the supplies with them. The advancing side takes them and uses them.

In a civil war there is nowhere to retreat, and very little to advance toward. Supplies will be exactly where they are now - in warehouses, on military bases, in hidden caches. As fortunes of war change, they become property of the advancing forces. This happened in Libya, this is happening in Syria. Army depots of the state are often supplying the rebels - and they are an attractive target.

All this talk about an "alternative defense force" is worth nothing if there is nobody willing to fight and die for the bureaucrats in power. I cannot imagine why would anyone do that, especially considering that the bureaucrats have nothing to offer. I don't think that an extra MRE per day can buy a soldier who will fire at his countrymen. In Middle Ages a good soldier can be knighted and become eligible for a manor. In 20th century a good soldier would fight for survival of his country (as he understood it.) What would a modern US mercenary fight for on this land? Or I can put it differently: if a US mercenary is willing to fight, what side he will be fighting on?

Dictators are acutely aware of this; that's why they always try to bind their elite guard with money - and with blood too, if they can. The intent is to have troops that will fight and die for you because the alternative is worse. Saddam tried his best, and it wasn't enough. Gaddhafi tried his best, and it wasn't enough. Hitler tried and was successful in brainwashing of millions of Germans. But he had an advantage of being first, and he was a strong leader, and it took him ten years, not even counting the years that preceded his rise to power and left the German society with a desire for a strong leader.

21 posted on 03/14/2013 11:40:26 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

“This happened in Libya, this is happening in Syria. Army depots of the state are often supplying the rebels - and they are an attractive target.”

After Gaddhafi ordered his army to fire on Libyans, 75% of the army deserted and returned to their provinces to defend their families. On their way home, they emptied the armories. What remained were recruit cadets and Qaddhafi’s officers in his elite guard. They could never mount any kind of effective military action, so the elite officers deserted the recruits and headed for the Niger border, loaded with loot.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 6:24:42 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Greysard
Our modern society presents us with a new scenario that has little history to compare with. Unconstitutional laws and mandates may mean nothing without those willing to enforce them, but neither does our Constitution unless we defy those laws. We seem to accept those laws more than we accept widespread defiance.

Theses gun control laws are unconstitutional, and there is nothing that can make them lawful. The same goes for Obamacare. Unless we realize that our system is corrupt and broken then we can't win. We have a government full of traitors who have a hatred of our Constitution. They are liars who make up frivolous arguments to support their treason. We can't survive when we continue to make fools of ourselves fighting a battle we can't win. We better do something drastically different than what we have been for decades that have resulted in the advancement of liberalism. These tyrants should be warned to keep their hands off our Bill of Rights, which they were not given authority to take away by any lawful means.

We have to remember that Obama is a tyrant unlike any we have dealt with in modern times. He will destroy this country one way or another. He's a principled radical. The Bill Ayers type of leftist are intelligent and principled extremist, and they seem hellbent on pushing us over the edge fast.

It's easy to underestimate the left because they can sound pretty damn stupid arguing against our Constitution, but they are intentionally doing that. They know the Constitution, but have to oppose it for their agenda. They have had a better strategy than the right, and even their stupidest sounding comments seem to work in the long run.

Before anyone gets too confident about Obama not having the forces to impose his tyranny on us, we have to look at the possibility of foreign troops entrenched on American soil under false pretenses. Our military can easily be put in a situation it can't respond, and there isn't any guarantee it would. There would be those who would go along will Obama in the feds, and those who would refuse or resist won't be in a position to act the way we may think. Obama seems to be stepping everything up at his pace. He's testing the waters, and any major escalation will be when he wants it.

We may see Russian and/or Muslim troops inside our military bases while our troops are sent overseas. Obama hates this country, and I don't think anything he does should surprise us. I would see that as a bigger possibility, and threat, than any western European troops. We don't know how much Obama’s willing to risk, and we shouldn't underestimate him. I honestly don't think he would be risking as much as it might seem. He would just flee overseas if things went south, and I could see him living openly in luxury without ever being punished. It's better if we expect the worse, but work for the best outcome.

Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org

36 posted on 03/15/2013 6:47:01 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG - WWW.CSPOA.ORG)
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To: Greysard
Supplies will be exactly where they are now - in warehouses, on military bases, in hidden caches.

See my #39.

41 posted on 03/15/2013 10:30:52 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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