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To: SeekAndFind; Viennacon

Rand is right, as far as I’m concerned-the fed has no business in what is a religious ritual/sacrament at all, period-it has become a slippery slope.

I was taught that marriage is a sacrament-not a celebration of signing a contract at a courthouse. I don’t see the word “marriage” in the constitution listed as an inalienable right, either-leave it to the religious institutions to define what marriage is or is not. I believe it is the only way to stop the government meddling in church business.


23 posted on 03/14/2013 8:50:21 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

marriage is not religious under the law.

using religion to argue marriage surrenders the debate to the left in total. for law, logic trumps mere faith.

Logic is the rule here. Marriage is about family and what is a legal family for the furtherance of society. Child production, child raising, pathernity and maternity, inheritance, and property rights.

marriage is a commonon law institution. It is not a legislative fiction. Any legislative change can only be narrowly construed. For example adoption does not exist at common law, thus all adoption law is a legislative act and narrowly construed.

Society rewards the institution not the individual recreational sex.

There is no love test in the constitution either.

There is no international tourism law.

There is no immigration law in the constitution.

logic must rule, faith is a tool of the enemy (ala the left saying christians must always surrender to the lions)


30 posted on 03/14/2013 9:07:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Texan5

What has radically changed in the last 230+ years with regards to the natural law that the founders fully belived in that warrants this radical chabge in the way that government respects and acknowledges traditions and beliefs of almost every human civilization? Nothing.


31 posted on 03/14/2013 9:08:53 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: Texan5

RE: as far as I’m concerned-the fed has no business in what is a religious ritual/sacrament at all, period-it has become a slippery slope.

Let’s put our thinking caps on for a while.

Let’s say that the term “marriage” is not longer an institution the government ( Fed or State or local ) recognizes.

How does the government administer laws like immigration, spousal contracts, divorce, social security, etc. if we do away with the recognition of marriage?


33 posted on 03/14/2013 9:19:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Texan5

If the institution of marriage and raising a family isn’t directly implied in the phrase “life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” I don’t know what is.


39 posted on 03/14/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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