Posted on 03/11/2013 9:54:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Yes .. I just think whatever logic is used should be consistently applied and let the chips fall where they may. To me this issue was never about obama or any specific candidates.
RE: So if the FF intent would allow Zippo to be King of Kenya and president, how about King of England and president?
I was not there so I can’t read their minds. However, I believe the bottom line would be PATRIOTISM and LOYALTY to country.
Being born in America of American parents does not guarantee that you will grow up to love America ( see John Walker Lindh for example ).
On the other hand, there are people born overseas who grwo up in America and REALLY LOVE America and will die for this country.
If I were to take a guess, I’d say the framers would favor the latter.
You make sense of the situation.
The President is not king, the executive branch being equal to the congressional.
Conservative senators need to have a leader, having the mentality, if not the credentials.
We DO have to realize the force of voter fraud.
This is starting to sound like the Jewish standard. If your MOTHER is a Jew, you are a Jew and it doesn’t matter who your father is or even where your father is. The Moms have it.
You don’t have to be there to read their minds, you can read their minds when you read the words “natural born citizen”.
They didn’t fight a war to turn the US back over to the King of England or the King of any other country simply because of their birth.
If you believe the FF were that stupid you are a 100% nut case.
Naturalized citizens have paperwork indicating the time and place they were granted citizenship.
Does Cruz have this? No.
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How do you know he hasnt ???
and I never said he was a naturalized citizen and wasnt born an American citizen
I said Cruz is not NBC
While Cruz WAS Born an American citizen (maybe) he is NOT eligible to be POTUS
he is on a level with Obama
and even MAYBE less...
If Obama WAS born in Hawaii...
Oh noez...
I’m at the point where I don’t care, if Obama can be President, then so can Cruz.
RE: They didn’t fight a war to turn the US back over to the King of England or the King of any other country simply because of their birth.
I used the words LOYALTY and PATRIOTISM. It would not be a stretch to understand that that was their bottom line.
Would a natural born citizen like Benedict Arnold be in the minds of the framers simply because he qualified for it?
Of course not.
Same is true for Obama. His mother’s family has been in the US for a long time. He’s a born citizen.
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N00b youre late to the dance...
Its not Obamas Moms status that is questionable...
al;though she may have been too young to pass on American citizenship...
Its his Dad, the Kenyan Barak Obama Sr whop was here on a student visa and who was deported...
Obama Sr and Obama Jrs Mom Stanley Ann Dunham were never married unless he committed bigamy a crime in the US, but he was recognized as the father at some time...
Obama is like Cruz hes not an NBC..
Obama was never eligible to be POTUS...
and nor is Cruz...
You can champion the liberal Democrat Obama all you want on these Conservative pages, but you wont be changing the facts...
Obama was never eligible to be POTUS...
Next silly excuse for your King Obama ???
Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Come on people! This is basic stuff. Constitution 101!
Was Winston Churchill a U.S. citizen at birth?
The answer to both questions is no.
Was Winston Churchill a U.S. citizen at birth?
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yes his Mom was an American citizen...
so his Dad was not an American
so he was born in a foreign country ???
so was Cruz
:)
I don’t follow/understand the remarks. Cruz was born in Canada the mother being a USA citizen and the father being a Cuban citizen. The family lived in Canada on non-USA government business. That is why my take is that Cruz is not a Constitutionally eligible person for POTUSA.
“I used the words LOYALTY and PATRIOTISM. It would not be a stretch to understand that that was their bottom line.”
It was, and that’s why they didn’t leave it to chance.
A person born with loyalty to more than one country is already in question as to which country they are most loyal to.
A NBC is born with loyalty to only one country, no other country has a claim to them as being one of their citizens at birth.
Apparently Canada, like the US, makes you a citizen simply by being born in the country, so by all outward appearences he was born with dual loyalties.
The law was different back then as to being a U.S. citizen at birth and paternity was deemed more important than maternity.
Churchill was given honorary U.S. citizenship during his lifetime. He was not a U.S. citizen at birth. He was also never a U.S. resident - let alone for the required 14 years.
Is the rumor true that Cruz was actually born in Kenya and then rushed into Hawaii?
The divorce court said Zippo’s parents were legally married, and the marriage produced a child, Zippo.
At birth, the Brits had as much claim to him as a subject/citizen as the US.
Dual loyalties at birth, not NBC.
Cruz was born in Canada the mother being a USA citizen and the father being a Cuban citizen. The family lived in Canada on non-USA government business. That is why my take is that Cruz is not a Constitutionally eligible person for POTUSA.
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Thats why I asked the other day how long Mrs Cruz was in canada...was she just visiting and couldnt reurn...
No she was living there of her own choice...
Ted was 4 years old when they returned...
Thats not a family with intentions to make their son an NBC under the jurisdiction thereof the Constitution..
She could have could back across the border for his birth but she chose not to...
Cruz is NOT an NBC and he is NOT eligible...
Like Obama we could say Cruz could be born in the Lincoln bedroom but that non-American father of his stops him from being eligible to be POTUS...
The divorce court said Zippo’s parents were legally married, and the marriage produced a child, Zippo.
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Got a LEGAL marriage certificate for Obama Sr and Stan Ann to show us ???
got anything ???
He was not a U.S. citizen at birth.
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Like Obama and Ted Cruz, Churchill had a NBC Mom...
so are you suggesting Cruz was not an American citizen at birth ???
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