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To: John S Mosby
People in the South cared for and worked with the blacks as individuals, but not as a group. People in the North loved them as a group (especially in the intellectual leftwing halls of Haaaahvaahd et al), but would have no part of them as individuals in real life and hate them actually. You might imagine that blacks in the South feel the same way, likely at one point fearing whites as a group while caring about and working with them as individuals.

That's painting with a very broad brush. The North (painting with my own broad brush) is at once more impersonal and (in the cities) more tribal. People can have distant yet respectful relations with those from different groups without actually "hating" them. Or they can simply ignore people who aren't part of their own tribe. Doubtless there are White Northerners who actually do hate Blacks, but you have those in the South as well. The differences may be more of style and manner than anything else.

White Southerners may have had cordial relationships with Blacks they grew up with, as you say, without much caring for African-Americans as a group. I'm not sure that's all so very different -- political attitudes aside -- from those "Haaaahvaahd" people you put down. The phenomenon of liking or getting along with a few people while shunning or disliking the group they belong to isn't exclusive to either region. While Northerners may be colder we're not all automatons. It's worth a thought anyway.

Black attitudes towards Whites -- Northern or Southern -- are also pretty complicated. The stereotype may be that African-Americans get on better with Southerners. I'm not so sure that's really the case. Some Northern Blacks and Whites appear to get along quite well from what I can see.

and if you want to see palpable daily bigotry and racism, go to Philly, or Southie Boston

I hear that a lot. But it's a little strange that the 1970s or 1980s in Northern cities are supposed to be still going on and the 1950s or 1960s in the South are ancient history lost in the recesses of time.

For some people, Southie is the Selma or Montgomery they love to look down on and attribute their own faults to. What you're doing isn't so different from what you protest about when others do it to you.

Of course, things have changed in those cities over the last thirty years, even in neighborhoods that got a bad name. For better or worse, kids who are crazy about rap and have Latin girlfriends and black friends and relatives nowadays aren't who their grandparents were.

163 posted on 03/10/2013 12:46:31 PM PDT by x
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Not a broad brush at all— this reflects the cultural attitudinal behaviours of Yankees vs Southerners, and further, running this past my black friends, they concur- there is a distinct variance in how they are treated socially and in business.

The PC crowd of neo-liberals and social justice pontificators originated in the NE snoot schools with their largely white cliques of preppy aholes. Way long ago, Southerners got past all this— to survive Reconstruction. Southerners get along fine with Southern blacks— so put that into the formula.

Can tell you that among my black friends it is universal that they hate going to Boston, or Chi-town or New Yawwk and especially not LA or SF-— because of the bigotry (as distinguished from the ubiquitously misapplied “racism”). They love the South and their good old boy business and personal friends.

In that sense, your comment as it relates to bigotry may be more refined if you take into account urban vs. rural. Fact is that living like sardines breeds insanity and people’s focus is their own little habitat.

Listen to “National Brotherhood Week” by Tom Lehrer (a jewish yankee liberal counterculture harvard mathemetician who worked at the NSA and taught political science at MIT and math at UC Santa Cruz before embarking on musical theater career). He gets it just about right—the concept of focused bigotry painted with a broad brush, and all too true. Deo Vindice.


176 posted on 03/10/2013 1:19:15 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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