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To: ransomnote

So you posit a vast government/industry conspiracy to in order rebut live web links to real-time radiation monitoring systems, such that they are underreporting radiation levels by a factor of 100,000-1,000,000 (to get to “several orders of magnitude”), is that right?

Seriously? Seriously??

Anyone can buy a Geiger counter and make their own readings. People who work for Tepco have children too.

You say Cs and Sr will need “hundreds of years to diminish significantly...”

The half-life of Cs-137 is 30 years, and that of Sr-90 about the same. Wouldn’t you call 50% a “significantly” diminished? 75% after 60 years? 7/8 after 90 years? That’s not “hundreds of years.”

You’re just completely off the rails here, man.


48 posted on 03/20/2013 3:25:09 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

You’re off the rails again. It isn’t much of a conspiracy. Even back in 1960’s the NRC directed it’s scientists to prevent a researcher from publishing facts about above ground nuclear testing which proved that the US government under reported the amount of radiation released by 90%. The researchers met with the angry scientist and didn’t know what was expected of them so they asked him a few questions, made a few suggestions and ‘let him go’ publish. The NRC management threw a tantrum - he said they were to have stopped him. The scientist released his research proving the government lied (under reported by 90%)to the detriment of the health and well-fare of it’s people and...crickets. Nothing happened. They lie - they get away with it.

The Downwinder’s demanded their day in court. The government allowed it - but barred the victims’ veterinarian’s from testifying and sent in their own government vet and...can you figure out how that trial turned out?

Three Mile Island: Only the power plant’s radiation estimates get recorded as official. He who writes history...

Before the nuclear accident, the average background radiation level in Tokyo was slightly above 0.03 microsievert/hour. So what did you think of the discovery of 23,300 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium in a park in Tokyo? That’s several orders of magnitude larger than original background radiation. When diminished 7/8, it’s 2912.5 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium which is still 5 decimal points above original background - and still damaging to people, plants and animals.

You don’t think that there’s only one spot like that in all of Japan, do you? Or that the Japanese government is posting information about such highly radioactive hot spots? (must avoid ‘panic’, right?) or that it is even looking for them, right? You do understand that there are entire mountain ranges that are considered too radioactive to visit for the traditional viewing of the cherry blossoms, right? SO the official stance is that the ‘trees are resting’ from being visited too much in the past.

The more optimistic radiation maps distributed by the Japanese government were created by helicopter - off the ground the radiation is measured...ahem lower. Several schools in Fukushima have radiation monitors in the front yard. Those monitors are set up to measure higher off the ground than necessary (again it lowers the reading) so others have come along and set up ‘real’ radiation monitors right next to them to display the disparity.

Here’s a quote “Radiation Exposure

About a fifth of the 1,600 schools in Fukushima are exposed to at least 20 millisieverts of radiation a year, the Network to Protect Fukushima Children from Radiation said, citing the most recent government readings in April. That’s the limit for an atomic plant worker set by the International Commission on Radiological Protection.”

Or as you said, any citizen can buy a geiger counter: Here’s a photo of a citizen measuring the radiation in front of a junior high school (shown in the background). The radiation there is 0.54 microsievert/hour. So five days of school could be 21.6 microsieverts of exposure per child. But of course that’s not their total dose because they move around, go inside etc and then they go home to live in an area contaminated by radiation an eat/drink contaminated food and water. (Fukushima)
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/10/radioactive-japan-us-high-school.html
Note that this last link has a good radiation contour map made by an independent Japanese scientist. Any citizen can buy a Geiger counter...

This series of maps is excellent: http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/search?q=radiation+map

Here’s a quote:
“Use of school yard:

On April 14 in Kanagawa, iodine-131 was detected at 48,000 becquerels/square meters, and cesium-134 and cesium-137 were detected at 53,000 becquerels/square meters each on the surface of the soil with small gravels.” http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/professor-kunihiko-takeda-teachers-wake.html

As long as the government downplays levels of radiation, it refuses to compensate the residents for moving out of the area, losing jobs, houses etc.


49 posted on 03/20/2013 9:39:06 AM PDT by ransomnote
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