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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

Yes. As evidence, I would cite the parable about the workers in the vineyard, (Matthew 20:1-16), or the Good Thief.

But it's also true that those who are habituated to sin are unlikely to have a change of heart, in the end, which is one reason why it is wise to live a virtuous life.

What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.

True. Which is a logical argument for the existence of a state of purification after death, i.e., Purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.”
Jesus thus clearly provides that there exists the possibility of forgiveness after death.

The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Scriptural support for the doctrine of Purgatory.

70 posted on 03/07/2013 7:13:45 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Bulwyf; NELSON111; Starstruck; tx_eggman; NCLaw441; Old Yeller; ...
Interesting discussion by all, excepting the occasional outbreak of anti-Roman Catholic bigotry. [Am not a Roman Catholic, but a traditional, conservative Christian, not of the evangelical or pre-millenial dispensationalist persuasion.]

Appreciate particularly the backup and Scripture references from stonehouse01. The thief on the cross and the workers in the vineyard can, in my view, be considered penitent. And perhaps there is forgiveness after this life (only one way any of us will ever know).

And yes, we are saved by Christ's sacrifice and our belief in a Triune God. But after our confession and acceptance, are we not called to walk in a better way, even though we never are able to do so very well? I worry these days about the smug self-righteousness of “feel good” Christianity: I'm saved by the Blood, and now I can continue living my consequence-free life, with no atonement for my sins. My get-out-of-jail-free card allows me to do this. Can we afterward commit acts so heinous (e.g., genocide) that we lose our salvation?

A question for the next round.

89 posted on 03/07/2013 10:32:28 AM PST by twister881
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