Posted on 03/03/2013 8:10:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Yes, government law defines marriage in America, not your Mosque.
You seem to want to have a theological discussion, not a discussion of the definition of marriage in the United States.
We get it, you go to a Mosque, or a church or whatever, telling us that over and over, in post after post, doesn’t have anything to do with marriage law in America.
You don’t want gay marriage in America, you just don’t want to do anything about it, except the contradictory solution of allowing gay churches to define marriage.
Now go back to telling us that you go to a church, blah, blah, blah, we get it, you go to a particular church, but churches don’t make marriage law in America.
“Yes, government law defines marriage in America, not your Mosque.”
So ‘gay marriage’ is possible if government defines it? Not to me or my faith, that’s for sure. How about you or your faith?
“We get it, you go to a Mosque, or a church or whatever, telling us that over and over, in post after post, doesn’t have anything to do with marriage law in America.”
The place I go to doesn’t punish anyone when they disagree that impossibilities like ‘gay marriage’ are possible. Like the state. It wouldn’t even put forth the possibility in order to be voted on. Like the state does.
“Now go back to telling us that you go to a church, blah, blah, blah, we get it, you go to a particular church, but churches don’t make marriage law in America.”
Yup, I go to a church. Horrors. Blah, blah, blah. And for sure churches in America don’t punish anyone for not accepting what they put forth as marriage. Unlike the state.
Freegards
Like I said, you just want to tell us about your church or Mosque, that doesn’t help to make legal decisions in courts and in the military in regards to what is a marriage, or in all the other areas of the nation where a definition of marriage is required outside of your church building or Mosque.
Like I said, so ‘gay marriage’ is possible if government defines it? Not to me or my faith, that’s for sure. How about you or your faith?
Freegards
Queer marriage, was voted down in Cali., three times. By over 75%, seek and find. It was only because of Federal court, that the legal angst of the people, was overturned. Now, the downward spiral of the US, is welll base in NY/NYC. Your bs Cali stats, are based from an ACLU stat. Deny it, I dare ya.
It is clear that you have no interest in the political battle, you just want to keep repeating that you have your own church definition and that suits you as an individual, in other words no interest in this political/legal issue.
The rest of us have a political battle to fight in America, elections to deal with, primaries, internal party struggles, court battles, that is why this is in News/Activism.
“It is clear that you have no interest in the political battle, you just want to keep repeating that you have your own church definition and that suits you as an individual, in other words no interest in this political/legal issue.”
I just wan’t to get it clear. You said:
“Yes, government law defines marriage in America, not your Mosque.”
So ‘gay marriage’ is possible if government defines it? Not to me or my faith, that’s for sure. How about you or your faith? I think you will find that not many think ‘gay marriage’ is possible among conservatives, because the state doesn’t define marriage for many on FR that I have observed.
Freegards
RE: Queer marriage, was voted down in Cali., three times. By over 75%, seek and find
Errr... I wish you were right and I was wrong. But the results for Proposition 8 is MOST DEFINITELY NOT OVER 75%, not even close.
And those were not BS ACLU numbers. Those were the OFFICIAL TALLY.
The numbers were from the CALIFORNIA SECRETATY OF STATE.
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_8
Look at the chart to the LEFT of that page and look at the source.
Proposition 8
Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment
Election results
Yes 7,001,084 52.24%
No 6,401,482 47.76%
Valid votes 13,402,566 97.52%
Invalid or blank votes 340,611 2.48%
Total votes 13,743,177 100.00%
Voter turnout 79.42%
Electorate 17,304,42
I’d rejoice greatly if your 75% number were correct, but I can’t. I have to face reality.
Also, where are you getting the 75% figure from? Can you cite your source? I just cited mine. Where’s yours?
You just keep repeating the same thing about your own personal internal theology, your own inner world It is clear that you have no interest in the political battle, you just want to keep repeating that you have your own church definition and that suits you as an individual, in other words no interest in this political/legal issue.
Escapism doesn’t protect the conservative agenda or win the culture wars and legislative battles.
75% is from my county,Lassen county. This issue has been voted on three times, state wide. Repealed vote, by the Ninth district has happened twice. Did I overstate? Not by much, Seek and Find. The fact remains, that California voters, have overwhelmingly put gay marriage to rest, only to be resurrected by judicial override.
I think the highest % for an amendment passing is 86% for Mississippi in 2004. The two lowest, not counting those that failed or actual ‘gay marriage’ being approved by popular vote last year, are CA and SD. SD was 52% in 2006, two years before Prop. 8. The only one that was lower was Arizona in 2006, it actually failed to pass with 48% but then passed one two years later by 56%.
Freegards
Thinking the state defines marriage is in no way part of the conservative cause or movement. If the state decides to recognize ‘gay marriage’, does that mean that ‘gay marriage’ is possible to you?
Freegards
You really do practice escapism and avoid politics, in your mind, you don’t accept it, so it doesn’t matter that it becomes legal in America, and in the military, and in regards to all marriage laws and family laws in America.
Who needs to be involved in politics and the struggles for our nation, when all one has to do, is live in their own fantasy.
How many times can you keep repeating that you have a religious view reflecting your personal Mosque, or church teachings, so you don’t care about the law and the rest of America?
Seems like a simple question. If the state recognizes ‘gay marriage’, does that make it possible to you? My answer would be ‘of course not, the state doesn’t define marriage for me, ‘gay marriage’ is an impossibility’.
And as far as politics, I bet I have never voted any differently than you would have, or any conservative. I certainly voted for my state’s marriage amendment, it passed by 57% in 2006. I would do so again. I don’t think it will matter eventually, and I think it’s a shame the state has the power to punish those when they disagree with whatever impossibility it desides to call marriage at the time.
Freegards
LOL, you have your own little world going on inside that mind of yours that seems to be like a version of pong.
...California gay marriage...Eastwood
Polls don’t really count only votes count. Pollsters can be clever in the way they conduct their polls.
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