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To: TalonDJ
He apparently believes a CC permit means you are REQUIRED to keep it hidden.

In some states it DOES. In those places you can be in big trouble if someone catches a glimpse. Florida use to be that way but they recently amended the law.

I'm not an expert on this, and I will defer to your apparent knowledge on the intricacies of the law, but quite honestly both the first & second statement make no sense at all. I wonder if this is NOT a correct interpretation of CCW.

Otherwise CCW is really nothing more than thinly disguised gun control law against carrying any concealed handgun. Because the moment you would pull out your concealed handgun, even at a gun range, you would be guilty of breaking the "concealed aspect of the law". And woe be onto the poor sucker who ever drew his concealed weapon in public to defend himself. You're guilty the moment you pulled out your handgun, especially if the perpetrators broke & ran away. Now you're left holding a handgun that 1 or more bystanders have seen.

I am not an expert on the intricacies, but to me this interpretation of CCW would be very hard to enforce or uphold even by liberal courts.

99 posted on 02/25/2013 10:18:46 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup
I am not a lawyer but I have had an bunch of concealed carry classes and held permits from three different states. So I have looked into this stuff.Otherwise CCW is really nothing more than thinly disguised gun control law against carrying any concealed handgun.

Prior to CCW laws most states had laws expressly prohibiting concealed carry of fire arms and many had laws against openly carrying them. When the added the CCW laws they allowed concealed carry but some states forgot to lighten the penalty for being spotted openly carrying. The law does not recognize the transition. If your gun is showing then you are open carrying at that moment.

Because the moment you would pull out your concealed handgun, even at a gun range, you would be guilty of breaking the "concealed aspect of the law".


Once you draw your legal footing changes. Now at the gun range that is different. Most of those are private property and they specifically allow the handling and use of firearms. How you got the firearm to the range is not their problem or their business.

And woe be onto the poor sucker who ever drew his concealed weapon in public to defend himself. You're guilty the moment you pulled out your handgun, especially if the perpetrators broke & ran away. Now you're left holding a handgun that 1 or more bystanders have seen.


This is indeed where it gets tricking. A very GOOD CCW class will talk a lot about it. A bad class just wastes their time debating caliber or some some trivia. SO the issue is that the law recognizes specific uses of a gun. You just drew, you have it out. What are you doing? Are you defending yourself? Ok, you have to legally prove that. Is the situation over? Then you had better put it away unless you are ready to prove in court that you still felt threatened. There are basically (as far as I know) three things you could be doing the law recognizes, your either 'brandishing' which is waving it around and that is bad, legally. Or you might be threatening someone, also bad. Or you are doing 'self defense' which is probably ok. Basically you have to be ready and willing to defend your actions in court EVERY time you draw a gun in public. Concealed carry is a responsibility that is not to be taken lightly.
101 posted on 02/26/2013 6:32:09 AM PST by TalonDJ
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