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To: Sherman Logan; FatherofFive; Kaslin
Good food or bad, just the cost of it is going up just like with fuel. The overall effect is of a narrowing our choices,i.e.,where and when we travel and what we eat. In a conspiratorial sense, its an attempt th herd us all into a human equivalent of a CAFO, Confined Animal Feeding Operation, for Agenda 21 purposes.

More people a getting interested in the local food option theese days which is a very good thing. It generally cost more but it is upfront pricing in that it isn't highly subsidized like corn an soy beans and it costs less from a health care standpoint because of its better nutritional value.

Controlling food is essential to controlling the people. And I believe that's what 's going on. It is the Gulag principle. We have the 2nd ammendment, but if we're too weak to pull the trigger, what use is it?

8 posted on 02/24/2013 4:30:05 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

Actually the food prices and everything else are going up in the stores because of the high gas prices. We need to get rid of Ethanol or at least the one made from corn


9 posted on 02/24/2013 4:50:08 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: tbpiper

I am curious why you think our choices are being restricted as to what we eat.

You can still eat a 1950s diet if you choose. What used to be called staples are still available at the store, though you have to look for them since their shelf space is WAY down. Just take the staples home and cook them up.

We have, as a people, chosen to go for fast, convenient options over inexpensive and healthy ones. That’s not a government plot to control us, it’s just our own poor choices. As a group, not individuals.

Food is often less expensive than ever before in history. You can buy 50 pounds of rice for <$20. You can easily eat for a month on 50 pounds of rice. Not particularly enjoyably, but it provides plenty of calories.

BTW, in the grocery yesterday I saw frozen peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. LOL


10 posted on 02/24/2013 4:55:19 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tbpiper

After living in NY and NYC and in Europe and then in the South and beyond, my observation is that Americans do nopt care at all about good food.

In laws willl aften say, hey you New Yorkers, whenever you get together all you talk about is food.

True. And the obesity I find around those who eat just to eat and don’t know anything about good food, just quantity and fat an sugar, are the obese people, generally speaking, of course.

The fact that delis don’t exist in the South and beyond, says everything I need to know about appreciation for food.

I know a guy, gone now, who was a deli owner, whose son attended an Ivy league school and went on to become an amazing succes, as well.

Took care of his parents in their later years, as they took care of him in his younger years.

If delis go out of business, it’ll tell me more about confusion of family priorities and expectations of young people and vocational choices.

But delis are a staple of and a corner stone of soem micro cultures in this country.

German, Jewish, and Italian - see “Moonstruck”.

Like Buck says to Mularkey, in Band of Brothers, as he’s trying to create a stew, “what do you know about cooking? You’re Irish.”

Maybe not much, but we know about goood food and where to get it.

It is a thing often spoken about around here.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 5:24:27 AM PST by stanne
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To: tbpiper
"We have the 2nd ammendment, but if we're too weak to pull the trigger, what use is it? "
16 posted on 02/24/2013 5:29:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: tbpiper; Sherman Logan
Ditto to #10. Calories are cheap, probably cheaper today than ever in history. Grocery store prices are high enough to induce sticker shock, but this is not a paradox. Some of the increase is inflation, but the basic driver is that people are not just buying calories. They are buying convenience, better taste, freshness, variety, even organics (often at huge premiums, which I refuse to pay because I don't like wasting money to subsidize a superstition).

The last time I looked up the number, the farmgate price of the raw commodities amounted to fourteen cents on the dollar on the typical American's grocery bill. AND Americans are paying less than seven percent of disposable income on food prepared at home. About 40 percent of our food dollars are spent eating out, but the combined total is still less than ten percent of disposable income, the lowest figure in the world. These percentages have been trending downwards for years, except for the proportion of food eaten away from home, which has risen over time. Again, convenience, and food as a service.

Food is an incredible bargain.

The biggest cost driver in your grocery bill is labor. I have no problem with this; grocery stores are labor intensive, but they give me 24/7 access to an astonishing global food chain, and I am happy to pay for this. Plus, I have many alternatives if I want to eat cheaper, so the market functions. The second biggest cost factor in food is energy. Team Obama hasn't yet demanded that farmers run combines with windmills, but at the rate we're going, that'll come in the next four years.

19 posted on 02/24/2013 5:51:44 AM PST by sphinx
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