Posted on 02/21/2013 10:50:03 PM PST by furquhart
I'd love to share it with you folks.
>>>bearing more resemblance to the Commons versus Crown clash that was the English Civil War <<<
I’ve had this idea literally for years, and I’ve written about here at FR. The ideas motivating the conflict in our time and during the Glorious Revolution are the same, too... does the monarch (or the state) have unlimited authority, or should the authority of the monarch (or the state) be limited?
In any case... God help us.
I think such is the reasoning of the left pushing to subvert the 2nd Amendment.
I also think State's Rights will force the situation by one or many States (Texas probably being one) refusal to go along with more and more waste, “do as I say” control and socialism and the Federal government moving to try forcing those states to obey.
Even in that scenario, I wouldn't expect Civil War, rather and as you say a coup, probably by the Military without much actual combat.
It’s inevitable. There’s no damn way we can co-exist with libtards.
yes.
next question.
>>At some point, events will have been allowed to escalate to such a degree that both sides will face a choice between either offering their surrender or accepting battle with no guarantee that even a victorious outcome will save their vision of America and of the Constitution. <<
The Whigs have mastered the surrender part really well. Good article, look forward to reading the book.
However, if the MEN who founded the Republic or the MEN who formed the Confederacy were alive today, CW2 would have been well underway by now. Today, no MAN will stop forward to yell “STOP” or to call Elmer Fudd to task.
Too many imagine some contest of arms, but that will not succeed without first creating a new ship of state, as our Founding Fathers did.
I believe the time has come, that for each county throughout each of the states, that county Tea Party should convene and choose 2 representatives to attend a Tea Party convention of their state, which will in turn debate and then consider and elect 2 representatives of their state, to attend a unique Tea Party national convention for the purpose of establishing a Second Continental Congress.
Setting the time and place for a first setting of the Second Continental Congress, then the unique national convention shall adjourn, and the representatives return to their states, where the Tea Party conventions of each state, will then take into consideration, who shall be their 2 representatives in the Second Continental Congress.
I believe, it is time to follow in the steps of our Founding Fathers, and create a new ship of state, to which our allegiance and love of our worthy American heritage and many foundations, shall transfer.
I believe, that *everybody* needs to see this preparation and action.
If the existing federal government fails us and takes one more step toward tyranny on which it has proven to be hell-bent, then we know, as Benjamin Franklin et al knew, it is time.
We must have a new democratic-republic to be where people can again be free from government tyranny, and we must, thru starting with a Second Continental Congress, make a good government, which will very likely be framed as the first but with a few refinements regarding how we may better limit government and that includes the courts.
Sure there is ~ one that is guilt free. Repeal the 13th, convert the Leftwingtards into a slave class, and move out smartly. This will make everybody happy and keep the toilets cleaned.
First, you form a NEW RNC with a set of new rules, and invite the state parties to send delegates to a presidential nominating committee meeting.
The Whigs were totally devastated in some states, so those states didn't participate in the Republican structure built up to run Fremont for president, but in other states the Abolitionists were actually strong enough to act as a state party and committee so they were invited to send delegates.
We have essentially the same situation today that we had then ~ and the cause is similar. The Democrats have figured out a way around the 13th Amendment and seek to enslave everyone. The successors to the Whigs are as wishy washy as ever on social issues. We must act to save the Republic, and that means we must first act to retain the power to assert ourselves on the national political stage. That requires the political extermination of the people who currently structure the Republican party ~ at the top, and in a number of states.
It's worth noting that since Jefferson cracked the code on single-member district political mathematics ~ the 50% plus 1 vote phenomenon (with which you will always be the winner) no one has actually created an electorally successful new political party except by taking over an existing major party, tossing out the bad elements, inserting themselves in the critical positions, and reusing the same old names.
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Your book looks quite interesting - certainly appears to have a lot more thought put into it than many article or essays that seem to think that another Civil War would look like 1861, with neat battle-lines drawn between states and armies civilly duking it out. No - I suspect that it would come down to the sort of bloody and vicious conflicts one saw in the Balkans, or the Caucus. Certainly not the sort of think to look forward to, as some folks have.
Just a bit curious - why do you bring up the possibility of a Canadian Civil War occurring before an American one? I can’t see the Quebec issue devolving into armed conflict - I’d imagine they would either stay, or be let go - and the nation is economically more healthy than the US. Of course, I’m an American - perhaps as a Canadian native you would have more insight into the Canadian political situation.
Frankly, the assault of liberalism/leftism upon the US Constitution is an attack fomented from the outside by their allies on the inside. The liberals are the literal modern-day fifth column. Therefore the term “civil war” would not really be applicable.
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Quote of the day;
“Participating in a gun buy back because you believe that criminals have too many guns is like getting yourself a vasectomy because you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.”
We already have a perfectly serviceable ship of state. The problem is the innovations that have been incorporated that made it unworkable.
An America without the quasi-legislative powers of regulatory agencies would look much more like what the founders envisioned.
In order for there to be a civil war, as opposed to a time of rebellion and social turmoil, the chain of command has to fail.
The only way for that to happen is for there to be a legitimate disagreement within the officer corps about the legality or constitutionality of some act of the government.
This is exactly what happened in 1861, and without it, rebellion is suicide.
It really won’t be defined as a Civil War. A second Revolutionary War is more of a correct definition.It then could turn into a hybrid Rev-Civ War if states start to fight each other.
I think it would be more like the Russian Civil War—Red and White armies battling for the nation.
Liberals have become a threat to all that I stand for.
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