Posted on 02/17/2013 1:27:50 PM PST by Nachum
You knew it was coming. Scientific American — which often pushes cultural agendas as much as scientific ideas — has an article informing us that polyamorous people have so much to teach the rest of us about life. From “The New Sexual Revolution: Polyamory May Be Good For You“ One thing that seems to unite the polyamorous community is a real enthusiasm for digging into emotions. Honesty, openness and communication are cornerstones for polyamorous relationships, Holmes has found. “They’re talking a lot, they’re negotiating a lot, they’re bringing their feelings to the table a lot,” he said.
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I think this article (Link) on the history of marriage probably provides a more realistic view of how monogamy came to be seen as culturally optimum.
Hey, I think you’ve got an idea there. If people are allowed to legally “marry” their guns then the state cannot take away their “spouses”.
This what the acceptance of homosexuals and allowance for women to join the ranks of combat arms soldiers is all about. It’s not about equal opportunity and fairness. Those are strawmen arguments. Secular humanism is on the march and kicking down doors.
“If the top 5% of the men conrol 20% of the women, that means the bottom 20% of the male population, having no chance of marriage, comprise a eunuch or homosexual underclass. Not good.”
Which will make the homosexualists even more in favor of polygamy.
In a not too dissimilar segway from your post, look at Red China. All that “1-child only” resulting in couples having only boys and aborting girls is bound to result in a somewhat similar situation. And all those womenless men are bound to make a very toxic and fierce fighting force(not good news for us.)
Well, to my understanding all the religious groups that have accepted ‘gay marriage’ so far accepted civil divorce and remarriage first. Often you will read about some faith that believes ‘gay marriage’ is possible but won’t recognize their own members ‘gay marriages’ until the state they are in also agrees. Which might be more insane than actually buyng into ‘gay marriage’ in the first place.
“Now, since the family and human society at large spring from marriage, these men will on no account allow matrimony to be the subject of the jurisdiction of the Church. Nay, they endeavor to deprive it of all holiness, and so bring it within the contracted sphere of those rights which, having been instituted by man, are ruled and administered by the civil jurisprudence of the community. Wherefore it necessarily follows that they attribute all power over marriage to civil rulers, and allow none whatever to the Church; and, when the Church exercises any such power, they think that she acts either by favor of the civil authority or to its injury. Now is the time, they say, for the heads of the State to vindicate their rights unflinchingly, and to do their best to settle all that relates to marriage according as to them seems good.”
Pope Leo XIII, 1880.
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argh, I wouldn’t doubt it
The State wouldn't mind "wasting" millions of them. They will be weaponized.
Thank you for the link. I came across a “World Polyamory Association” which is involved in activism to legalize polyamory: http://worldpolyamoryassociation.net/2013/02/legalize-polyamory/
Age of Reason, your argument is self-refuting. Anything that is against the interests of the average man, is detrimental to society, and thus, to everybody. It is not, to use the ecological term, "sustainable".
A stable society cannot survive if most men cannot realize their natural right to seek a marriage partner and establish a family. Men who can never achieve a marriage and children--- who cannot participate in the very foundation of natural society --- have no stake in the future of their own society.
They will become a criminal class, as in the poorer sectors of our society, where the government has "out-bid" men for the role of provider and source of security. Husbandless women with children have their EBT card as their husband; but the men become parasites or predators.
The alternative is to draft all the men into the army. Then you have an army of criminals.
This is not a formula for social stability. See #68
That’s exactly the point. Abolish the natural family, replace it wit the state and use these men as weapons of that state.
It is true that a large number of celibate men can be disruptive to society.
The solution is to the direct the restless energy outward, by forming them into an army, invading a neighboring tribe, killing the men of the neighboring tribe while stealing the women, and taking the land.
In the process some of the original restless bachelors will have been killed, which further reduces the surplus of restless bachelors.
“When it’s a disaster, it’ll the fault of someone else who just didn’t under the brilliance of the idea.”
Plus, we have the “Morning-After Pill” and abortion on demand to clean up all those embarrassing little mistakes, right? Also, the LGBQPRXYZ crowd don’t have those worries. Of course, penicillin just doesn’t clean up things like it used to.
/sarc
Wouldn't surprise me if that's about the same set of conditions that currently exists in large American cities, where a small percentage of men, both married and unmarried, have extra-marital sex with the majority of women, both married and unmarried.
Basically, you can outlaw polygyny, but the nature of mankind is such that it simply goes on anyway--though without a marriage license.
And it may also be, that in cases where the less successful men think they have found wives, that their wives cuckold them by getting pregnant in affairs with richer and more powerful men than their husbands, thus (in most cases, unconsciously) ensuring the resulting babies will have better genes.
Researchers have done genetic testing of neighborhoods and discovered that a substantial percentage (I believe around 25%) of children were not related to the husband of their mothers, though that would have been news to those husbands.
Wouldn't surprise me if that's about the same set of conditions that currently exists in large American cities, where a small percentage of men, both married and unmarried, have extra-marital sex with the majority of women, both married and unmarried.
Basically, you can outlaw polygyny, but the nature of mankind is such that it simply goes on anyway--though without a marriage license.
And it may also be, that in cases where the less successful men think they have found wives, that their wives cuckold them by getting pregnant in affairs with richer and more powerful men than their husbands, thus (in most cases, unconsciously) ensuring the resulting babies will have better genes.
Researchers have done genetic testing of neighborhoods and discovered that a substantial percentage (I believe around 25%) of children were not related to the husband of their mothers, though that would have been news to those husbands.
Wouldn't surprise me if that's about the same set of conditions that currently exists in large American cities, where a small percentage of men, both married and unmarried, have extra-marital sex with the majority of women, both married and unmarried.
Basically, you can outlaw polygyny, but the nature of mankind is such that it simply goes on anyway--though without a marriage license.
And it may also be, that in cases where the less successful men think they have found wives, that their wives cuckold them by getting pregnant in affairs with richer and more powerful men than their husbands, thus (in most cases, unconsciously) ensuring the resulting babies will have better genes.
Researchers have done genetic testing of neighborhoods and discovered that a substantial percentage (I believe around 25%) of children were not related to the husband of their mothers, though that would have been news to those husbands.
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An important article with some excellent comments on the thread.
One question - what's the difference (if any) besides "Polyamory" and "slutdom" as it is widely practiced right now? What does "legalization" mean? Looking at links, apparently being able to "legalize" multiple sex partners as some sort of legally binding "marriage. I really can't say anything better than what Mrs. don-o has already said, I have to read the whole thread now.
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An important article with some excellent comments on the thread.
One question - what's the difference (if any) besides "Polyamory" and "slutdom" as it is widely practiced right now? What does "legalization" mean? Looking at links, apparently being able to "legalize" multiple sex partners as some sort of legally binding "marriage. I really can't say anything better than what Mrs. don-o has already said, I have to read the whole thread now.
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Savagesusie - marriage existed in ancient India, before the Jews. Really. Exact details in the Manu Samhita and other ancient texts. They did allow polygamy but it was not widespread, and with quite a few rules. Most marriages were not polygamous.
“That’s exactly the point. Abolish the natural family, replace it wit the state and use these men as weapons of that state.”
Promise them 70 (72) virgins upon death in war against your enemies and, voila’, you have a ready supply of suicide bombers.
I wonder if this theory has ever been tested in real life?
Polygamy -> ample supply of young, unmarried male suicide bombers.....
Hmmmm
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