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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 17 February 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 17 February 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 02/17/2013 4:36:24 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

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To: kabar

Your stats for poverty of immigrants are no different from other centuries of immigrants to America. The poor and disenfranchised who came here worked hard to give a better life to their children. That has been one of the major circumstances that has made our country exceptional.

I 100% agree that English has to be our official language if we are not to become Balkanized any further. I suggest one way to accomplish this is to have the condition that anyone applying for residency has to put on their application form the name of a person fluent in English who is like a sponsor for official communication.

That avoids the ‘compassionate’ rules that every institution has to provide translators or translations, including our ballots.

Ex: The form filed for every schoolchild with names of contacts will include the person who speaks English, to be a liaison to the parents of the student.


141 posted on 02/17/2013 1:00:34 PM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No offense, but aren’t you comingling the parasitic Mexican welfare type with “drywall contractors”? Those drywallers works like crazy and perform good work.

They also use Mexicans them in coal mines because they (a) work like crazy, (b) do not have to bend over. They are naturally short; big coal can drill smaller bore mines.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate open borders and free-for-all immigration.

I’m also trying to help AB get to 200 posts but we’re a bit sluggish today.


142 posted on 02/17/2013 1:45:26 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: maica
Then why is all the focus of political dialogue about our porous southern border. If companies can keep track of every customer, our visa system should get up to speed and track our visa recipients.

It is easier to talk about secure borders than it is about an interior enforcement system. The US-VISIT program was passed in 1996 to correct this problem, but it was never fully implemented thanks to mainly Bush who was a disaster on immigration. We have 50 million visitors a year so it is a formidable task. You not only have to track them, but also deport them.

Our State Dept. is a total waste of time, judging by their effectiveness.

What does the State Department have to do with it? DHS and ICE are responsible for the internal enforcement of our immigration laws. State issues most of the visas, but it has nothing to do with tracking and deporting those who receive them. And don't forget that under the Visa Wavier Program, there are over 30 countries that don't require visas to enter the US.

143 posted on 02/17/2013 1:47:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: shalom aleichem

Start making exceptions to the law based on any more of that journalistic feel-good crap, you’re well on your way to no damn law at all.

The more of this stuff I see, the more I’m going to the attitude that if you come into this country illegally, the only thing I’ve got for you is my boot point up your butt.

And the people making big profits or political careers out of pandering to lawbreakers need treated like the criminal dirtbags they truly are.


144 posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:36 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

“Start making exceptions to the law based on any more of that journalistic feel-good crap, you’re well on your way to no damn law at all.

The more of this stuff I see, the more I’m going to the attitude that if you come into this country illegally, the only thing I’ve got for you is my boot point up your butt.

And the people making big profits or political careers out of pandering to lawbreakers need treated like the criminal dirtbags they truly are.”

Thanks for preaching the truth!


145 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:03 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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146 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
That's just not true! As a first generation American, and having come from a community of assimilated Europeans, I know there are highly skilled foreigners who come here to participate in the American Dream and become Americans.

It is true regardless of what anecdotal information you cite. 25% of adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. They are heavy users of our welfare system. For every dentist, there are three times as many poor and uneducated. And the vast majority of our legal immigrants come from the Third World, not Europe. And one factor that many Americans have no idea about is that 60% of the green cards issued each year are to change of status individuals, i.e., they got here one way, many times illegally, and then changed status.

Here is an article from a friend of mine, Two Sides of the Same Coin: The Connection Between Legal and Illegal Immigration"

I find it difficult when I address groups that even legal immigration must be reduced if we are going to maintain this nation as our Founders hoped. Unfortunately, we have been brainwashed by these phony claims that we are a nation of immigrants and that somehow we can accept any number of immigrants as long as they are legal. I wish we had a merit based immigration system where we brought in only skilled immigrants, but they make up only about 15% of the 1.2 million we bring in annually.

147 posted on 02/17/2013 2:04:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: shalom aleichem
No offense, but aren’t you comingling the parasitic Mexican welfare type with “drywall contractors”? Those drywallers works like crazy and perform good work.

Damn right I am. Both groups are thieves and the "good worker" types are skewing the labor market (stealing jobs)

I’m also trying to help AB get to 200 posts but we’re a bit sluggish today.

Larri...will you look at this?...Just look at it.

148 posted on 02/17/2013 2:12:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: maica
Your stats for poverty of immigrants are no different from other centuries of immigrants to America. The poor and disenfranchised who came here worked hard to give a better life to their children. That has been one of the major circumstances that has made our country exceptional.

We are not the America of the late 19th Century and early 20th century. We don't need to import poverty in the form of unskilled and uneducated workers. They actually hurt us in being competitive in the global economy. Milton Friedman said that, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both. America cannot take in the billions of the world's poor who want to come here.

Here is a great article by the famed Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation: Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts

It was Rector's seminal article that got me interested and then invested in the immigration issue. I recommend it highly to anyone who wants to learn about the issue sans emotion and old bromides. We need to reform our system in much the same way the the rest of the developed world has done, i.e., a merit based system.

I suggest one way to accomplish this is to have the condition that anyone applying for residency has to put on their application form the name of a person fluent in English who is like a sponsor for official communication.

Why such a convoluted approach? Why not make it a precondition for residency? For example, in Germany, you must pass a fluency test. They have language institutes that provide the training for the tests.

That avoids the ‘compassionate’ rules that every institution has to provide translators or translations, including our ballots.

We wouldn't need such rules if we had English as the official language including on ballots. Here in Fairfax County we went to the dual language ballot, a first for any county in VA. Immigration is the reason VA is a purple state and will soon be a blue state. 30% of the population of Fairfax County is foreign born. We are spending over $100 million a year just on ESOL teacher costs in the $2.4 billion county school budget. And we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars when it comes to educating the children of immigrants, legal and illegal. The ESOL population went up by a third just from last year to this one.

Ex: The form filed for every schoolchild with names of contacts will include the person who speaks English, to be a liaison to the parents of the student.

That is just not going to happen. We are going in the opposite direction,i.e., more accommodation for non-English speakers. Even the federal government has Spanish language cites for SS, Medicare, US jobs, etc. And many jobs are offering extra pay if you can speak Spanish whether it is the police, fire, or EMTs.

149 posted on 02/17/2013 2:25:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: maica
Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts
150 posted on 02/17/2013 2:31:09 PM PST by kabar
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
He supported Rand Paul and Marco Rubio

If you are quoting Rove on that point - Rand earlier stated that Rove back his opponent, (I think) in the primary. Not much of a leap for Karl to then say he backed Rand once he won the primary - real commitment there Karl!

151 posted on 02/17/2013 4:37:35 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“Obama won’t answer “Can you kill Americans on American soil” question.

No matter. He would lie his ass off just like he always does. Name one thing he has honestly answered.


152 posted on 02/17/2013 8:34:30 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (Have you thought about going vegan, Karl?)
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To: kabar
25% of adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. They are heavy users of our welfare system

Well, that's not the way it used to be, nor the way it should be. I wonder who changed it?

Lemme guess.......Terd Kennedy?

153 posted on 02/18/2013 2:21:42 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

Yes, Ted Kennedy was behind this. He and the Dems wanted to make the US look like the rest of the world. Naturally, the first step is to change our racial and ethnic composition. When historians write about the rise and fall of this great Republic, they will point to the 1965 Immigration Act as perhaps the principal cause of our demise. Demography is destiny.

154 posted on 02/18/2013 5:22:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: Girlene
Hello Girlene.

You make some valid points.

Here is the Reader's Digest version of what is going on.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/military/dp-nws-milupdate--0218-20130217,0,613825.story

Despite what Rand Paul and Rush are saying, these are not "baseline budget" tricks and the military is not "crying wolf" as even some Republicans have irresponsibly charged last week.

When Obama and the Democrats dreamed up the Sequester, they never thought the Republicans would agree to gut Defense (18% of the budget, yet it must take 50% of the cuts). All parties know this will hurt the economy (probably 2 million jobs total lost with Sequester), it will cause deep harm to the military, and it will break faith with our men and women in uniform.

The Republicans basically gave up with the Sequester during the Fiscal Cliff negotiations in Dec/Jan and only decided to focus on taxes. News reports said even the Democrats where shocked that they had to bring up the cuts - the Republicans were no longer interested in discussing them. All they did was delay them 2 months, and now they are here.

This is going to be a disaster. Obama is off playing with his homosexual golf buddy boy-toys, and the nation's military and economy are about to go off the real cliff.

The Republicans are like that character in the movie "Armageddon." They have decided to "Embrace the horror."

It is a terrible strategy, but the Tea Party "burn it all down then!" wing has won. The military is going to suffer a cut beyond the 13% across the board cut, because they have to take most of the money from Operations and Maintenance.

This is going to be bad. Don't let anyone fool you. Believe me.

155 posted on 02/18/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

thanks for the info, SkyPilot. It was unbelievable that Repub’s agreed with these cuts in Defense when Sequestration was originally agreed to. The down the road is here.


156 posted on 02/18/2013 7:28:52 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Alas Babylon!

Will that annoying coughing woman please leave the table???? Inconsiderate witch.


157 posted on 02/24/2013 6:44:33 AM PST by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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